Finding the Volume of a Unit Cell

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The problem involves finding the volume of a unit cell in a crystal lattice defined by three vectors, u, v, and w, with specified lengths and angles between them. The original poster attempts to determine the volume using a scalar triple product approach but encounters difficulty in finding the angle between w and the cross product of u and v.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants suggest using an orthonormal basis to simplify the problem, proposing specific representations for the vectors u and v. Others raise questions about the properties of the vectors and the implications of the angles given in the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided insights into potential methods for determining the volume, while others express uncertainty about how to proceed, particularly regarding the vector w and its relationship to the other vectors.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of constraints related to the angles between the vectors and the need to examine the determinant of a matrix formed by the vectors. Participants are grappling with the implications of the information provided in the problem statement.

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Homework Statement


Unit cell of a crystal lattice is a parallelepiped spanned by the vectors u, v, w vectors have lengths of 1, 2 resp3 (le). angles between the vectors is
[u, v] = pi / 4
[u, w] = pi / 3
[v, w] = pi / 6
Determine the volume of the unit cell.



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volume = V (w, u, v) = w scalar with (u x v)
I can determine | uxv | = sqrt (2)
if I can find out the angle between
w and uxv then the problem is solved but it is not possible to get this angle.
 
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may not be elegant, but how about noticing u is perpindicular to v, then if
|u| = 1
|v| = 2
|w| = 3

then choose an orthonormal basis such that
u = (1,0,0)
v = (0,2,0)

not let w = (a,b,c) with a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = 3^2, now you know
u.w = |u||w|cos(pi/3)
v.w = |v||w|cos(pi/6)
 
lanedance said:
may not be elegant, but how about noticing u is perpindicular to v, then if
|u| = 1
|v| = 2
|w| = 3

then choose an orthonormal basis such that
u = (1,0,0)
v = (0,2,0)

not let w = (a,b,c) with a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = 3^2, now you know
u.w = |u||w|cos(pi/3)
v.w = |v||w|cos(pi/6)

[u, v] = pi / 4
[u, v] is not pi/2

i said something in the book about det(A^T A)
 
fair bump, but you could do the same thing with
u = (1,0,0)
v = (1,1,0)
 
in fact i think it follow pretty quickly form there...
 
i don't know what i should do now?
we don't know anything about w.
I the book it said that examine det(A^T A)
colonnvektors in A are u,v,w.
 
anyone?
 

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