Finding Volumes and Evaluating Double Integrals

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The discussion revolves around evaluating double integrals to find volumes and solve integrals involving trigonometric functions. The specific problems include finding the volume of a tetrahedron defined by certain planes and evaluating a double integral of the function sin(y^2).

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  • Participants discuss the boundaries for the double integral related to the tetrahedron, with some expressing uncertainty about their correctness. There are attempts to compute the integral but discrepancies in the results are noted.
  • In the second problem, participants question the feasibility of integrating with respect to y first due to the nature of the function sin(y^2) and explore the implications of reversing the order of integration.
  • Some participants suggest drawing the region of integration to clarify the limits and setup for the second integral.

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There is ongoing exploration of the boundaries and calculations for the first integral, with some participants affirming the correctness of the limits while others express confusion over their results. The second integral has prompted discussions about the integration order and the necessity of visualizing the region to determine appropriate limits. No consensus has been reached on the correct approach for the second problem.

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Homework Statement



1) By evaluating a double integral find the volume of the tetrahedron bounded by planes x+2y+z=2, x= 2y ,z=0 and y=0 (answer = 1/3)

2)

[tex]\int_{0} ^{1} \int_{x} ^{1} sin(y^2) dydx[/tex]

i) explain why this can be evaluated by integrating wrt y first.
ii) sketch the region of integration R of the double integration
iii)Evaluate the integral by expressing it as a Type II region first.


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The Attempt at a Solution



My query is with 1 and 2ii)

for 1

my region I integrated over was x/2≤y≤(2-x)/2 and 0≤x≤1

found when z=0 to get y=(2-x)/2 and this intersects y=x/2 at (1,1/2)

yet when I compute

[tex]\int_{0} ^{1} \int_{\frac{x}{2}} ^{\frac{2-x}{2}} (2-2y-x) dydx[/tex]

I don't get 1/3. If it's a problem with my algebra I'll fix it. But are my boundaries correct?

2) I believe it can't be done with dy first since the integral of sin(y2) can't be expressed in terms of elementary functions. Is the reason or is there some other factor that prohibits this?
 
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Your boundaries look correct in your integral for 1.

And your answer to 2 looks correct too. And that problem will go away when you reverse the integration order.
 
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ok for some reason I can't seem to get 1/3. This is what I have


[tex]\int_{0} ^{1} \int_{\frac{x}{2}} ^{\frac{2-x}{2}} (2-2y-x)dydx[/tex]

[tex]= \int_{0} ^{1} \left[ 2y-y^2 -xy \right] _{\frac{x}{2}} ^{\frac{2-x}{2}} dx[/tex]

[tex]= \int_{0} ^{1} \left( (2-x)- \frac{1}{4}(2-x)^2 -\frac{x}{2}(2-x) -x + \frac{x^2}{4} + \frac{x^2}{2} \right)[/tex]


[tex]= \int_{0} ^{1} (2-x-1+x-\frac{x^2}{4}-x+\frac{x^2}{2}-x+\frac{x^2}{4}+\frac{x^2}{2}) dx[/tex]

[tex]= \int_{0} ^{1} (1-2x+\frac{x^2}{2}) dx[/tex]

[tex]= \left[ x-x^2 +\frac{x^3}{6} \right]_{0} ^{1} = 1/6[/tex]

:confused: where am I going wrong? Because I clearly can't see it

EDIT: for the second one as well, I can't get the answer, I must be doing something wrong

[tex]\int_{0} ^{1} \int_{x} ^{1} siny^2 dxdy[/tex]

[tex]=\int_{0} ^{1} \left[ xsiny^2 \right] _{x} ^{1} dy[/tex]

[tex]=\int_{0} ^{1} (xsin1-xsinx^2) dx[/tex]

[tex]= \left[ \frac{x^2}{2}sin1 + \frac{1}{2}cos(x^2) \right] _{0} ^{1}[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{1}{2}sin1 + \frac{1}{2}cos1 - \frac{1}{2}[/tex]


answer is (1-cos1)/2 :confused: :confused:
 
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It's late here so I will be brief. Your limits are correct on the first one and Maple checks it as 1/3. Recheck your algebra.

On the second one your reversed limits are wrong. You need to draw a picture of the region from the first integral and use it to get the dx dy limits.

Sack time here.
 
Thanks for your help, I just need a bit of understanding with the 2nd one still. I found the new limits as y≤x≤0 and 0≤y≤1, but to get the answer the y range must be 1≤y≤0 and this makes no sense to me.
 
rock.freak667 said:
Thanks for your help, I just need a bit of understanding with the 2nd one still. I found the new limits as y≤x≤0 and 0≤y≤1, but to get the answer the y range must be 1≤y≤0 and this makes no sense to me.

Agreed, 1≤y≤0 makes no sense. Again, to work the problem you must draw the region described in the original integral. You should see a triangular region in the first quadrant above the line y = x and below the line y = 1. Then simply use that picture to get the limits integrating in the x direction first. You need to look at the picture to get the new limits.
 
LCKurtz said:
Agreed, 1≤y≤0 makes no sense. Again, to work the problem you must draw the region described in the original integral. You should see a triangular region in the first quadrant above the line y = x and below the line y = 1. Then simply use that picture to get the limits integrating in the x direction first. You need to look at the picture to get the new limits.

I got out this one, but in my integration working above can you see any error I am making because I keep getting answers which are not 1/3 . I just tried it again and got an answer of -1/2
 
The x2/2 term in the second line from the bottom is wrong.
 

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