Finding W and Theta in Simultaneous Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of simultaneous equations involving trigonometric functions to find the values of W and theta. The equations presented include terms with cosine and sine functions, specifically relating to angles of 69 degrees and 21 degrees.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore substitution methods to express W in terms of theta and vice versa. There are attempts to simplify the equations by substituting one equation into another. Some participants express confusion regarding the simplification process, particularly with the trigonometric terms.

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Participants are actively engaging with the equations, attempting to simplify and substitute values. Some have provided guidance on how to approach the simplification, while others express uncertainty about the next steps. There is a recognition of the need to narrow down the equations to a single trigonometric function.

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Participants mention confusion regarding the trigonometric identities and the manipulation of the equations, indicating a potential gap in understanding the relationships between sine and cosine in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



160 cos(theta) - W cos(69) = 0

160 sin(theta) - W cos(21) - W = 0

Can someone solve these equations for me to find W and theta?
 
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camino said:

Homework Statement



160 cos(theta) - W cos(69) = 0

160cosθ=Wcos(69)

W=160cosθ/cos(69)


continue now
 
W = W cos(69) / cos(69)?
 
camino said:
W = W cos(69) / cos(69)


?

no, put W=160cosθ/cos(69) into the second equation
 
Sorry I am still not seeing it. Could you give me one more step?
 
camino said:
Sorry I am still not seeing it. Could you give me one more step?

In this equation

160 sinθ - W cos(21) - W = 0


everywhere you see 'W' put 160cosθ/cos(69) and try to simplify it.
 
I do understand how to simplify one equation and substitute into the other, however I just can't seem to simplify these down. The theta with the sin and cos attached is what is really confusing me when trying to simplify. This is just a mess and I'm very confused.
 
camino said:
I do understand how to simplify one equation and substitute into the other, however I just can't seem to simplify these down. The theta with the sin and cos attached is what is really confusing me when trying to simplify. This is just a mess and I'm very confused.

just show where you've reached and we'll see if we can simplify it further
 
160 sinθ - (160cosθ/cos69) cos(21) - (160cosθ/cos69) = 0
 
  • #10
camino said:
160 sinθ - (160cosθ/cos69) cos(21) - (160cosθ/cos69) = 0

so you get


[tex]160 sin \theta - (\frac{160cos21}{cos69} - \frac{160}{cos69})cos \theta = 0[/tex]


this is like Asinθ-Bcosθ=0, how do you solve this equation?
 
  • #11
Is there a trig identity that replaces either sin or cos? I'm thinking we want to narrow this down to only having either sin or cos in the equation.
 
  • #12
camino said:
Is there a trig identity that replaces either sin or cos? I'm thinking we want to narrow this down to only having either sin or cos in the equation.

well yes but we can put it like this


Asinθ=Bcosθ

or sinθ/cosθ=B/A

do we know another way to express sinθ/cosθ ?
 
  • #13
I am really not sure.
 
  • #14
camino said:
I am really not sure.

do you not know that tanθ=sinθ/cosθ ?
 
  • #15
Oh my it has been a long day.. Yes i see that now. So simplifying I would then do:

160 sinθ - (-29.6542) cosθ = 0

160 sinθ = 29.6542 cosθ

θ = tan^-1(160/29.6542)

θ = 79.5° ?
 
  • #16
camino said:
Oh my it has been a long day.. Yes i see that now. So simplifying I would then do:

160 sinθ - (-29.6542) cosθ = 0

160 sinθ = 29.6542 cosθ

θ = tan^-1(160/29.6542)

θ = 79.5° ?

yes that should be correct. You are able to find W knowing θ=79.5° right?
 
  • #17
Yes:

160cos(79.5) - W cos(69) = 0

29.1577 = W cos(69)

W = 81.36
 
  • #18
Thank you so much for all your help!
 

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