Finding z^4 in Polar & Cartesian Forms

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves expressing the complex number z = -1 + 4i in polar form and then finding z^4, converting the result back to Cartesian form. The subject area includes complex numbers and their representations in different forms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the modulus and argument of z, with some questioning the correct approach to determining the argument based on the position of z in the complex plane. There are attempts to clarify the conversion process between polar and Cartesian forms, and some participants suggest avoiding decimal approximations for accuracy.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the correct argument for z, with some participants suggesting different interpretations. Guidance has been offered regarding the conversion process and the importance of maintaining exact values rather than approximations. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to clarify misunderstandings and explore the problem further.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential confusion arising from the presence of the real part (-1) in z, which affects the calculation of the argument. There is also mention of homework constraints regarding the method of expressing trigonometric functions in terms of sine and cosine.

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Homework Statement


Express z=-1+4i in polar for then find z^4 converting to Cartesian form


Homework Equations


r = sqrt(x^2+y^2)
theta = y/x
z= r cos (theta) + i r sin (theta)

The Attempt at a Solution


r= sqrt(-1^2+4^2)
= sqrt(17)

theta = tan a = 4/1
a = tan^-1 (4/1)
= 1.3258
pi-a = 1.8158 (to find the argument from the real axis)

in polar form = sqrt(17) cis 1.8158

Then to cartesian form

z^4 = r^4 cos 4(theta) + i r^4 sin 4(theta)
= (sqrt (17))^4 cos 4(1.8158) + i (sqrt(17))^4 sin 4(1.8158)
= 289 cos 7.2632 + i 289 sin 7.2632
z = 4sqrt(160.9760) + 4sqrt(240.0161) i
z = 3.5620 + 3.9360 i

Im not sure if this is correct but hopefully i am on the right track. I was not sure if I was converting to Cartesian form correctly or if i should introduce z^4 at the polar form so that z^4 = r^4 cis 4(theta)
 
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menco said:
z^4 = 289 cos 7.2632 + i 289 sin 7.2632
z = 4sqrt(160.9760) + 4sqrt(240.0161) i
z = 3.5620 + 3.9360 i

This is where you went wrong. You had found z4 correctly, but then in order to convert back to z
(which you shouldn't be doing anyway because the question asked you to convert z4 back into Cartesian form, not z)
you should have simply calculated 289\cdot \cos(7.2632) and 289\cdot \sin(7.2632)

Now something else you should work on is avoiding the decimal approximations. If you calculate what you have, you won't get the exact answer. For example, 289\cdot \cos(7.2632)+i\cdot289\cdot\sin(7.2632)\approx 160.976+240.016i but the exact answer to the problem is \left(-1+4i\right)^4=161+240i

So let \alpha = \tan^{-1}(4) therefore the argument is \pi-\alpha and so we have

z=-1+4i=\sqrt{17}\left(\cos(\pi-\alpha)+i\sin(\pi-\alpha)\right)

And we can simplify these cos and sin expressions, and after that, we can then find z4. Now, can you simplify the expressions \cos(\tan^{-1}\theta) and \sin(\tan^{-1}\theta) ? And also, what about expressing \cos(4x) and \sin(4x) in terms of \sin(x) and \cos(x)?
 
menco said:

a = tan^-1 (4/1)
= 1.3258
pi-a = 1.8158 (to find the argument from the real axis)


I think that the argument required for z (which according to convention is measured from the real axis in an anticlockwise manner) is just a = tan^-1(4/1) and not (∏ - a).
 
grzz said:
I think that the argument required for z (which according to convention is measured from the real axis in an anticlockwise manner) is just a = tan^-1(4/1) and not (∏ - a).

I am so sorry!

I did not notice the -1 in z!
 
grzz, you can go back and edit your first post if you made a mistake somewhere. Better than making a second post :wink:
 

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