First Formulation of Second Law as F=ma ?

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The discussion centers around the historical formulation of Newton's Second Law of Motion, specifically the modern expression F=ma. Participants debate who first articulated this formulation, with some attributing it to Descartes, while others suggest it was Euler. Newton originally described his Second Law as the relationship between motion and force in a more verbose manner, which was later simplified. Harris Benson is mentioned as a source, noting that Descartes contributed to the understanding of motion, particularly in his work "Two New Sciences." The conversation highlights the evolution of these concepts, emphasizing that Newton refined earlier ideas into a more universally applicable law. The modern interpretation of F=ma is viewed as a simplified version, often used in educational contexts where mass is assumed constant.
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First Formulation of Second Law as "F=ma"?

Newton expressed his Second Law of Motion as
The change of motion is proportional to the motive force impressed; and is made in the direction of the right line in which that force is impressed.
.Who was the first to put it into the modern form F=ma? Was it Descartes?
 
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Descartes died when Newton was 7... In fact, according to Harris Benson, Newton's first law is due to Descartes!
 
quasar987 said:
Descartes died when Newton was 7... In fact, according to Harris Benson, Newton's first law is due to Descartes!

1650,exactly.Born in 1596.Newton was born on Christmas Day 1642,according to the Julian Calendar,7th of January 1643 according to the Gregorian one.

I never heard of this Harris Benson,but maybe he should have asked Galileo Galilei as well.I believe it's his law.

Daniel.
 
Benson is the author of 3 non-calculus based physics book. They are generally a very good introduction to the subject imo.

Don't worry, he also mentions Galileo's leading role in the formulation of the first law by quoting "Two new sciences":

"A body stays in motion at constant speed on an horizontal plane without friction."

However, the second law as we know it is more recognizable in the extension of this principle to all bodies, and not just those moving on an horizontal plane without friction. :smile: On this topic, Descartes wrote:

"A body which is not under an exterior influence moves in a straight line at regular speed."

... And then Newton really just replaced the vague expresion "under an exterior influence" by the somewhat less vague "force". :smile:
 
quasar987 said:
However,the second law as we know it is more recognizable in the extension of this principle to all bodies, and not just those moving on an horizontal plane without friction. :smile: On this topic, Descartes wrote:
"A body which is not under an exterior influence moves in a straight line at regular speed."
... And then Newton really just replaced the vague expresion "under an exterior influence" by the somewhat less vague "force". :smile:

Does that make any sense to you??I think u probably meant the first law. :wink: The second speaks about the variation of momentum under nonnull resulting exterior forces.

Daniel.
 
I don't know about its history, but I have the impression that the "modern formulation" that you mention is, instead, the watered-down version tailored for non-calculus courses, where the mass is almost always assumed constant.
 
j_wendt said:
Newton expressed his Second Law of Motion as .Who was the first to put it into the modern form F=ma? Was it Descartes?
I believe it was Euler. Max Jammer calls F=ma "Euler's forumation" in his book Concepts of Mass in Contemporary Physics and Philosophy.

Pete
 
Thanks for the reference, Pete. The book is online at Amazon; I may have to spend the $10 D/L it. The first few pages look interesting.

The index is also at Amazon, but it doesn't seem to mention Euler.

John
 
It indeed Euler[/URL] , Mechanica, 1736.
 
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