First law of this universe

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of a unifying principle in various scientific fields, specifically the idea that energy moves along the path of least resistance or effort. Participants explore its implications in physics, chemistry, biology, and psychology, questioning whether this principle exists as a formal law and if it can be unified across disciplines.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the idea of energy moving along the path of least resistance resembles the second law of thermodynamics.
  • Others introduce the concept of action in physics as a related idea, referencing existing principles like the principle of least effort.
  • A participant argues that in General Relativity, particles follow paths of maximal proper time, which they relate to the concept of least resistance.
  • Another participant points out that the original statement about energy moving along the path of least resistance is not universally applicable, noting that many phenomena follow all available paths in relation to resistance.
  • Some participants express confusion over the terminology used, particularly regarding the meaning of "energy moves through time" and its implications.
  • Discussions arise about the limitations of the equation E=mc² and its relevance to energy transfer and information speed.
  • There are challenges regarding the interpretation of physical quantities and their relationships, with some participants suggesting a need for deeper understanding of energy and relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity or universality of the proposed principle. Multiple competing views remain regarding its applicability across different scientific domains and the interpretation of related concepts.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions and assumptions underlying the discussions, particularly concerning the relationship between energy, time, and resistance. Some participants note the need for mainstream references to support claims.

  • #31
Herman Trivilino said:
For example, one of my properties is my height, 1.88 meters. When I get in my car and drive from my home to the pickleball court would we say my height moves? I suppose we could, but it's not done.
Height is not conserved. Nor is it usually additive. That makes it less meaningful and less useful to speak about height "moving".

Herman Trivilino said:
On the other hand, another one of my properties is my mass, 107 kg. Would we say my mass moves when I make that same trip? Unfortunately, many do.
We can and often do speak of a mass flow rate. Mass is conserved and [in common circumstances] localized. We can meaningfully speak of its motion.

If an aircraft is not well balanced it makes sense to speak of moving mass fore or aft. Whether that mass is embodied in passengers, cargo or fuel is less relevant than the fact that some mass needs to be relocated.
Herman Trivilino said:
Authors often write, and instructors often speak, of a mass hanging from a spring, for example. But that's a bad habit.
I see what you are saying. There is a lack of precision in speaking there. Reinforcing a category error.

But even if we take the strict view that mass is a property of an object rather than an independent entity in its own right, I maintain that if a property is both conserved and localized it can make good sense to speak of its motion.
 
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  • #32
jbriggs444 said:
Height is not conserved.
Huhh? My height hasn't changed in decades whereas my mass has significantly. Although not during the trip I mentioned.
 
  • #33
Herman Trivilino said:
Huhh? My height hasn't changed in decades whereas my mass has significantly. Although not during the trip I mentioned.
Global conservation of mass is a feature of classical mechanics.
Local conservation of stress energy is a feature of general relativity.

I am currently at an age where my height is almost certainly decreasing over time.
 

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