First order linear partial differential equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the general solutions of first order linear partial differential equations, specifically examining the equation z_x + z_y - z = 0. Participants explore the method of characteristics and the implications of different approaches to finding solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a general solution of the form z = f(x-y)e^y based on their application of the method of characteristics.
  • Another participant asserts that the correct general solution is z = f(x-y)e^x + g(x-y)e^y, challenging the previous claims.
  • A later reply suggests that both proposed solutions could be valid under certain conditions, indicating a relationship between the functions involved.
  • There is a disagreement regarding the number of arbitrary functions present in the general solution of first order PDEs, with some participants claiming there should not be two arbitrary functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the general solution, with no consensus reached on whether there are two arbitrary functions involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct form of the general solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants' claims depend on interpretations of the method of characteristics and the definitions of general solutions in the context of first order PDEs. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the nature of the functions f and g.

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Do these equations have two general solutions!?

e.g. z_x + z_y -z = 0

Using the method of characteristics

a=1
b=1
c=-1
d=0

Therefore dx/1=dy/1=dz/z

Taking first two terms: x = y + A
*Taking last two terms: z = Be^y
So general solution is z = f(x-y)e^y

BUT if we took first and last terms: z=Be^x
z=f(x-y)e^x...
 
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Neither of those is the "general" solution. z= f(x-y)ex+ g(x-y)ey is the general solution.
 
You are quite the genius! Thanks
 
HallsofIvy said:
Neither of those is the "general" solution. z= f(x-y)ex+ g(x-y)ey is the general solution.

I disagree - first order PDE's don't have two arbitrary functions in their solutions!

coverband said:
Do these equations have two general solutions!?

e.g. z_x + z_y -z = 0

Using the method of characteristics

a=1
b=1
c=-1
d=0

Therefore dx/1=dy/1=dz/z

Taking first two terms: x = y + A
*Taking last two terms: z = Be^y
So general solution is z = f(x-y)e^y

BUT if we took first and last terms: z=Be^x
z=f(x-y)e^x...
Actually, they're both right.

First solution [tex]z = e^xf(x-y)[/tex] second solution [tex]z = e^y g(x-y)[/tex]. Since [tex]f[/tex] is arbitrary the set [tex]f(x-y) = e^{-(x-y)} g(x-y)[/tex] and the first becomes the second.
 
What, you mean I'm NOT a genius?
 
HallsofIvy said:
What, you mean I'm NOT a genius?
I've never met you so I really don't know :smile:
 

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