Fitting a Second Order Polynomial to Data Points

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The discussion revolves around fitting a second-order polynomial to a set of data points represented as observations (tk, yk). Participants are exploring the formulation of the polynomial model, the least squares estimation, and the assessment of accuracy and stability in the context of the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to write down the polynomial model and the least squares estimate but express uncertainty about the definitions and interpretations involved. Questions arise regarding the physical significance of the model parameters and how to assess the accuracy of the estimates. There is also inquiry into the implications of small differences in the data points on the stability of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on various aspects of the problem. Some have provided partial formulations, while others are questioning the definitions and implications of the least squares method. There is an acknowledgment of the need for participants to demonstrate their understanding and efforts in tackling the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating constraints related to the interpretation of the model parameters and the stability of the polynomial fitting process, particularly in relation to the spacing of the data points.

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Homework Statement


Suppose that you are given a set of observations (tk,yk), k = 1,...,M.
You plot these points on a sheet & it seems that the relationship between (t,y) could be approximated with a second order polynomial.
a) Write down the model in the form y = Ax + c. Specify the vectors & matrices & give interpretation to all terms.
b) Write down the least squares estimate x(hat) for x.
c) Let the elements of x bear a physical interest. How could you assess the accuracy of the estimate x(hat)?
d) How would you assess the stability of the problem if max(k,j) |tk-tj| is very small? It may help if you draw a picture. Or better still, study the structure of the matrix A.

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The Attempt at a Solution


a) Not sure on this one.
b) Isn't that just using the definition of least squares.
c) Not sure on this one.
d) Not sure on this one.
 
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If the relationship between t and y were a second degree polynomial, we would have [itex]y_k= at_k^2+ bt_k+ c[/tex] for all x and y. That can be written as<br /> [tex]\begin{bmatrix}y_1 & y_2 & y_3 & \cdot\cdot\cdot\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}a & b & c\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x_1^2 & x_1 & 1\\ x_2^2 & x_2 & 1 \\ x_3^3 & x_3 & 1\\ \cdot\cdot\cdot & cdot\cdot\cdot & cdot\cdot\cdot \end{bmatrix}[/tex][/itex]
 
Fixed your post up.
HallsofIvy said:
If the relationship between t and y were a second degree polynomial, we would have [itex]y_k= at_k^2+ bt_k+ c[/itex] for all t and y. That can be written as
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}y_1 \\ y_2 \\ y_3 \\ \vdots\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}t_1^2 & t_1 & 1\\ t_2^2 & t_2 & 1 \\ t_3^3 & t_3 & 1\\ \vdots & \vdots & \vdots \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}a \\ b \\ c\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
 
Thanks.
For b) is it just using the definition of least squares otherwise what do I do?
 
Still lost, any ideas.
 
What exactly does it mean write down the least squares estimate x(hat)?
 
Do you know what the least squares method is used for?
 
Isn't it to fit a polynomial through a set of points where the idealized value provided by the model for any data point is expressed linearly in terms of the unknown parameters of the model.
For c) does that mean assume x is real world data and if so how do you assess the accuracy of x(hat)?
For d) How do I assess the stability of the problem if maxk,j |tk - tj| is very small, not too sure on these problems, please help.
 
squenshl said:
Isn't it to fit a polynomial through a set of points where the idealized value provided by the model for any data point is expressed linearly in terms of the unknown parameters of the model.
So in this problem, the method is used to calculate what exactly?
For c) does that mean assume x is real world data and if so how do you assess the accuracy of x(hat)?
Could you clarify what you mean by "real world data"? The data in this problem are the pairs (tk, yk).
For d) How do I assess the stability of the problem if maxk,j |tk - tj| is very small, not too sure on these problems, please help.
Surely, the topic of stability must have been covered in your book or lecture. What do you know about it?

So far, all you've done is ask for the answers to the question. You need to show some effort that you've tried to figure out the problems on your own.
 

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