General Solution to Killing's Equation in flat s-t

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The discussion revolves around the Killing Equation in flat spacetime, specifically examining the implications of a general solution for the Killing vector. The original poster seeks to demonstrate that a certain tensor component is antisymmetric.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of substituting a general solution into the Killing Equation and question the antisymmetry of the tensor component. There are discussions about the form of the Killing vector and the conditions under which the antisymmetry holds.

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Several participants have provided insights into the problem, with some suggesting that the antisymmetry can be derived from the properties of the Killing Equation. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to demonstrate the required property of the tensor.

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Participants note that the components of the tensor are constant, which influences the differentiation process in the context of the Killing Equation. There is also mention of the need to clarify the original poster's question regarding the implications of the Killing Equation.

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Homework Statement



Killing Equation is: ##\nabla_u K_v + \nabla_v K_u =0 ##

In flat s-t this reduces to:

##\partial_u K_v + \partial_v K_u =0 ##

With a general solution of the form:

##K_u= a_u + b_{uc} K^c ##

where ##a_u## and ##b_{uv}## are a constant vector and a constant tensor

QUESTION
Show that ##b_{uv}## is antisymmetric: ##b_{uv}=-b{vu}##

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subbing in the general solution form I have:

## \partial_u (a_v+ b_{va}x^a) + \partial_v (a_u+ b_{ua}x^a) ##

From Kiling's equation it is obvious that ##\partial_v K_u ## is antisymmetric in ##u,v ##

Here I need to look at ##v##and ##a## in the first term and ##u## and ##a## in the second term, ?where the ##a## is summed over in both terms, which is throwing me of a bit and I'm not sure what to do?

Or if I use the antisymmetry of ##u## and ##v## and substitute in the general form of ##K^u## I have:

##\partial_u(a_v+b_{va}x^a)=-\partial_v(a_u+b_{ua}x^a)##

and now I am not sure what to do
Many thanks
 
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See, it's far more easy if you consider the problem in the following way.

An infinitesimal Lorentz transformation is of the form ##\Lambda_{\alpha \beta} = 1 + \epsilon \ \delta_{\alpha \beta}, |\epsilon| <<1##.
At the same time, a Lorentz transformation must satisfy the Lorentz condition (hopefully you know this) ##\Lambda^T \eta^T \Lambda = \eta##.

This condition means that ##\Lambda \Lambda^T = 1##. Let's see what we get if we use the above expression for ##\Lambda##.

$$\Lambda_{\alpha \beta} \Lambda_{\beta \alpha} = (1 + \epsilon \delta_{\alpha \beta}) (1 + \epsilon \delta_{\beta \alpha}) = 1 + \epsilon (\delta_{\alpha \beta} + \delta_{\beta \alpha}) + \mathcal{O} (\epsilon)^2 \approx 1 + \epsilon (\delta_{\alpha \beta} + \delta_{\beta \alpha}) \stackrel{!}{=} 1$$ The above identity is satisfied only if ##\delta_{\alpha \beta} = - \delta_{\beta \alpha}##.
 
binbagsss said:
Ku=au+bucKc

Do you maybe mean ##K_u = a_u + b_{uc}x^c##?
 
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Metmann said:
Do you maybe mean ##K_u = a_u + b_{uc}x^c##?

apologies yes i do
 
Tio Barnabe said:
See, it's far more easy if you consider the problem in the following way.

An infinitesimal Lorentz transformation is of the form ##\Lambda_{\alpha \beta} = 1 + \epsilon \ \delta_{\alpha \beta}, |\epsilon| <<1##.
At the same time, a Lorentz transformation must satisfy the Lorentz condition (hopefully you know this) ##\Lambda^T \eta^T \Lambda = \eta##.

This condition means that ##\Lambda \Lambda^T = 1##. Let's see what we get if we use the above expression for ##\Lambda##.

$$\Lambda_{\alpha \beta} \Lambda_{\beta \alpha} = (1 + \epsilon \delta_{\alpha \beta}) (1 + \epsilon \delta_{\beta \alpha}) = 1 + \epsilon (\delta_{\alpha \beta} + \delta_{\beta \alpha}) + \mathcal{O} (\epsilon)^2 \approx 1 + \epsilon (\delta_{\alpha \beta} + \delta_{\beta \alpha}) \stackrel{!}{=} 1$$ The above identity is satisfied only if ##\delta_{\alpha \beta} = - \delta_{\beta \alpha}##.

Apologies I didn't say in the OP
but the question is to show this is implied by Killings equation.
thanks
 
binbagsss said:
apologies yes i do
But then the answer is trivial. Plugging the general solution into Killing's flat equation yields $$ b_{uc} \partial_v x^c = - b_{vc} \partial_u x^c,$$
which is equivalent to
$$ b_{uc} \delta^c_v = b_{uv} = - b_{vu} = - b_{vc}\delta^c_u $$.

Maybe you missed, that ##a## and ##b## are constant, so ##\partial a = 0## and ##\partial ( b x )= b \partial x##.
 
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binbagsss said:
the question is to show this is implied by Killings equation
Ok. Then substitute the solution into the Killing Equation. You should get:

##(b_{\nu \sigma} \partial_\mu + b_{\mu \sigma} \partial_\nu) K^\sigma = 0##. This is to hold for any vector ##K##,
so we can re express it without the vector ##K## in front: ##b_{\nu \sigma} \partial_\mu + b_{\mu \sigma} \partial_\nu = 0##.

Make the possible cyclic permutations for the indices in the above expression. There are two useful cyclic permutations in our case:

1 - swap ##\nu## and ##\sigma##;
2 - swap ##\sigma## and ##\nu##.

You then obtain

$$b_{\nu \sigma} \partial_\mu + b_{\mu \sigma} \partial_\nu = 0 \\
b_{\sigma \nu} \partial_\mu + b_{\mu \nu} \partial_\sigma = 0 \\
b_{\nu \mu} \partial_\sigma + b_{\sigma \mu} \partial_\nu = 0$$

Now add these three equations together, noticing that 0 + 0 + 0 = 0, and you will get what you are looking for.
 
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