Fluid Dynamics-Drag Force Problem.

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The discussion focuses on deriving the drag force in a circular pipe with a given velocity profile, U(r) = Umax(1 - r^n/R^n). Participants clarify that the drag force is synonymous with shear force in this context, and both depend on viscosity. The negative value of du/dr is explained as a result of the maximum velocity at the centerline decreasing to zero at the pipe walls, indicating a negative rate of change. The significance of this derivative is tied to understanding the velocity gradient and its impact on shear stress. Recommendations for further reading include "Transport Phenomena" by Bird, Stewart, and Lightfoot to deepen understanding of shear force and viscosity.
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Homework Statement



Consider the flow of a fluid with viscosity μ through a circular pipe. The velocity profile in the pipe is given as U(r)=Umax(1-rn/Rn), where Umax is the maximum flow velocity which occurs at the center line; r is the radial distance from the centerline; and U(r) is the flow velocity at any position r. Develop a relation for the drag force exerted in the pipe wall by the fluid in the flow direction per unit length of pipe.
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Homework Equations


Shear stress: τ=μ(du/dy) where μ=Viscosity coefficient and (du/dy)=Velocity gradient. Units are (N/m2)
Shear Force: F=τA=μ(du/dy)A; where A=Area of contact. Units are in N.

The Attempt at a Solution



I can't seem to grasp the idea of drag force for this problem, this problem is from Cengel and Cimbala's Fluid Mechanics 1st Edition. Problem number is 2-44. The problem I'm having is that no where in the theoretical part of the chapter do they mention the relationship between drag force and shear force, are they the same? The most the chapter mentions is the following: "The force a flowing fluid exerts on a body in the flow direction is called the drag force, and the magnitude of this force depends, in part, on viscosity". The solution manual also states that du/dr is negative, but I can't understand why.
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Raul Trejo said:

Homework Statement



Consider the flow of a fluid with viscosity μ through a circular pipe. The velocity profile in the pipe is given as U(r)=Umax(1-rn/Rn), where Umax is the maximum flow velocity which occurs at the center line; r is the radial distance from the centerline; and U(r) is the flow velocity at any position r. Develop a relation for the drag force exerted in the pipe wall by the fluid in the flow direction per unit length of pipe.
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Homework Equations


Shear stress: τ=μ(du/dy) where μ=Viscosity coefficient and (du/dy)=Velocity gradient. Units are (N/m2)
Shear Force: F=τA=μ(du/dy)A; where A=Area of contact. Units are in N.

The Attempt at a Solution



The solution manual also states that du/dr is negative, but I can't understand why. [/B]

You are given that the velocity profile U(r) = Umax(1-rn/Rn), where r = 0 at the center of the pipe.

What does dU/dr represent in terms of this velocity profile?
What is its physical significance?
What happens to the velocity of the flow as r increases so that r → R?
 
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The drag force and the shear force are synonymous for this problem. Regarding the sign of dU/dr, did you try differentiating the equation they gave you for U with respect to r? If so, please show us your work.

Chet
 
SteamKing said:
You are given that the velocity profile U(r) = Umax(1-rn/Rn), where r = 0 at the center of the pipe.

What does dU/dr represent in terms of this velocity profile?
It is the rate of change that the velocity experiments as the distance from the centerline changes too.
What is its physical significance?
It allows us to see the shape of the fluid, which is a parabola, its maximum velocity is achieved at the center line because of the no-slip condition at both plates where the fluid assumes the velocity of the plates 0.
What happens to the velocity of the flow as r increases so that r → R?

The velocity is reduced to 0, because the plates are fixed and the no slip condition allows us to assume the velocity the fluid has at R is equal to 0.

I read the solution manual again in hopes of understanding the issue. So it says that du/dr=-du/dy because y=R-r, where y would be the distance from the top plate to a given distance. And when we differentiate y=R-r we obtain -dy=dr and can substitute that in the original. But it still seems to elude me why it says that in pipe flow du/dr is negative, because in the shear stress equation they use du/dr instead of -du/dy. Are they the same?
 
Chestermiller said:
The drag force and the shear force are synonymous for this problem. Regarding the sign of dU/dr, did you try differentiating the equation they gave you for U with respect to r? If so, please show us your work.

Chet
Yes, I differentiated in respect to r. The problem is that the sear stress equation has an added - sign at the beginning when the original equation doesn't, the differential result is the same for both cases, except for the sign. I just can't picture why du/dr is negative in pipe flow? Isn't du/dr going in the same direction as the flow? Or does it mean that it's negative because from the centerline to R the parabola decreases?
 
Raul Trejo said:
The velocity is reduced to 0, because the plates are fixed and the no slip condition allows us to assume the velocity the fluid has at R is equal to 0.

I read the solution manual again in hopes of understanding the issue. So it says that du/dr=-du/dy because y=R-r, where y would be the distance from the top plate to a given distance. And when we differentiate y=R-r we obtain -dy=dr and can substitute that in the original. But it still seems to elude me why it says that in pipe flow du/dr is negative, because in the shear stress equation they use du/dr instead of -du/dy. Are they the same?

For the time being, forget the shear stress. That's not helping you to understand the significance of what du/dr being negative means.

What is the definition of du/dr? How would you describe this quantity in words to someone who has no knowledge of differential calculus?

You still should answer these questions:
SteamKing said:
You are given that the velocity profile U(r) = Umax(1-rn/Rn), where r = 0 at the center of the pipe.

What does dU/dr represent in terms of this velocity profile?
What is its physical significance?
What happens to the velocity of the flow as r increases so that r → R?
 
Raul Trejo said:
Yes, I differentiated in respect to r. The problem is that the sear stress equation has an added - sign at the beginning when the original equation doesn't, the differential result is the same for both cases, except for the sign. I just can't picture why du/dr is negative in pipe flow? Isn't du/dr going in the same direction as the flow? Or does it mean that it's negative because from the centerline to R the parabola decreases?
The axial velocity at the center of the pipe is a maximum, and it decreases to zero at the wall of the pipe. So the derivative of the axial velocity with respect to radial position is negative.

Chet
 
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SteamKing said:
For the time being, forget the shear stress. That's not helping you to understand the significance of what du/dr being negative means.

What is the definition of du/dr? How would you describe this quantity in words to someone who has no knowledge of differential calculus?

You still should answer these questions:
I did respond them, but the stayed inside the quotation marks.
What does dU/dr represent in terms of this velocity profile?
It is the rate of change that the velocity experiments as the distance from the centerline changes too.
What is its physical significance?
It allows us to see the shape of the fluid, which is a parabola, its maximum velocity is achieved at the center line because of the no-slip condition at both plates where the fluid assumes the velocity of the plates 0.
@Chestermiller Has answered this question, stating that because the maximum is at the centerline and it decreases as it reaches R, it is a negative rate of change, meaning the velocity decreases as r reaches R. And it is also assumed for this problem that the drag force is equal to the shear force, because it is the only force which acts against the walls of the tube. I guess my doubts are solved, at least to the point where the steps seem logical now. I'll do some more problems and see if I grasped the idea right. Is there any resource you would recommend I read on the topic of shear force and viscocity?
 
Transport Phenomena by Bird, Stewart, and Lightfoot is a gem.
 
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