Fluid Mechanics question (shear stress)

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The discussion revolves around a fluid mechanics problem related to shear stress and velocity distribution between two cylinders. Participants explore the mathematical expressions involved, specifically focusing on the interpretation of shear stress and the derivation of velocity distribution graphs.

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  • One participant questions whether the shear stress for both the inner and outer cylinders is negative, noting that their derivative resembles ln(1/x).
  • Another participant provides a mathematical identity related to logarithms, suggesting that the expression ln(1/x) can be rewritten in different forms.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the choice of the ratio a/b and its significance in understanding the velocity distribution between the cylinders.
  • Concerns are raised about the presence of negative signs in the solution, indicating potential issues with the calculations or interpretations.
  • It is mentioned that using r/b for normalization is beneficial for interpreting results, with specific reference to the implications of the ratio a/b=0.8.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of shear stress and the mathematical expressions involved. There is no consensus on the correctness of the solution or the handling of negative signs.

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Participants highlight potential confusion regarding the definitions and substitutions used in the problem, particularly with logarithmic expressions and the choice of ratios.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in fluid mechanics, particularly those dealing with shear stress and velocity distribution in cylindrical systems.

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The problem and solutions is here

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6093/problem1rm4.th.png

Isn't the shear stress for both the inner and outer negative? When i take the derivative i get negative. The derivative is basically ln ( 1/x) since the rest are just constants.

Edit: I meant that the expression looks similar to ln (1/x).

Also I am clueless to how they got the values for that the velocity destribution graph. They picked a/b = 0.8 and i believe the # has to be less than 1 or the Vz equation is undefined.
 
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Remeber ln (1/x) = ln (x-1) = - ln x or

ln (a/b) = -ln (b/a).


Also, if one opens a spreadsheet, enters x = 0.8 . . . 1.0, by .01, and then plots 1/x vs x, one will see that it looks almost straight.

The solution indicates that the plot is almost linear. The radial dimension has been normalized to b, by using r/b for the abscissa.
 
thanks Astronuc, but i still got a few questions.

Why did they do a/b? Is it because the problem wants to know the ratio of velocity distribution between the two cylinders?

Also where did r/b come from? The only way i see it is that they substituted ln (b/r) with -ln (r/b), but why?
 
Either I'm very tired and can't think, or this solution has a serious problem with negative signes everywhere.

A ratio of a/b=0.8 was picked just as an example for a gap.

Using r/b is just a better choice when it comes to interpreting results. When the ratio is 0.8, you're at the inner cylinder (since the smaller cylinder is defined as a/b=0.8), when it's 1, you're at the outer.
 
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