Fluid mechanics - submerged triangular surfaces

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The discussion revolves around a fluid mechanics problem involving submerged triangular surfaces, focusing on the application of double integration to find areas and related calculations. Participants are attempting to resolve difficulties encountered in the problem, particularly in determining limits and equations for integration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach to finding the equations of the lines of the two sides of the triangular surface and calculating the width (w) as the difference between Xright and Xleft.
  • Another participant suggests that the limits for integration must be functions of S if S is fixed between 0 and h, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the setup of the integration limits.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the correct limits for integration and seeks clarification on how to apply them in the context of the problem.
  • There is a mention of a possible error in the calculations, specifically regarding a missing factor of 1/λ in the area calculation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to the problem, as there are ongoing uncertainties regarding the limits of integration and the calculations involved. Multiple viewpoints and interpretations of the problem persist.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the integration limits may depend on the specific functions derived from the geometry of the problem, which remains unresolved. There is also a lack of clarity on the correct application of double integration in this context.

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Hi, i am having difficulty with a question because i cannot seem to get the right answer. i don't think i am far off i just know i go wrong somwhere and if you could point that out it would be great. the question is attatched. for the first part i find the equations of the lines of the two sides starting from d. then subtract them to find w (=Xright-Xleft). using double integration i find the area by
A=∫∫dA where limits firstly are X=Xright, X=Xleft and then S=h and S=0. My problem is on part C i cannot get the correct answer which means i have gone somewhere wrong further up, most likely at either the limits I am using or for S or finding w. I am meant to use double integration for these questions and Sc=As|o /A and ***|c= ***|o - A*Sc^2.
Any comments are appreciated, thanks
 

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Welcome to PF!

Hi TimIgoe90! Welcome to PF! :smile:
TimIgoe90 said:
… for the first part i find the equations of the lines of the two sides starting from d. then subtract them to find w (=Xright-Xleft).

fine so far :smile:
using double integration i find the area by A=∫∫dA where limits firstly are X=Xright, X=Xleft and then S=h and S=0. My problem is on part C i cannot get the correct answer which means i have gone somewhere wrong further up, most likely at either the limits …

yup, your limits can't both be between fixed numbers

if your S limits are from 0 to h, then your x limits will be functions of S

(= the left- and right-most coordinates of that strip in the diagram, of height dh :wink:)
 
I am sorry not sure i understand. i have found w to be = Xright-Xleft by finding the equation of the lines in terms of S and functions of S. so w= [(b-d)*s/ λh]+[d*s/h]. from my notes i am told that my limits for x should be xleft and xright, which when integrating A=∫∫dA it would give me A=∫wds...what two limits of s would i then need to integrate it? sorry if you already answered but i wasnt sure. thanks
 
TimIgoe90 said:
i have found w to be = Xright-Xleft by finding the equation of the lines in terms of S and functions of S. so w= [(b-d)*s/ λh]+[d*s/h]. from my notes i am told that my limits for x should be xleft and xright, which when integrating A=∫∫dA it would give me A=∫wds...what two limits of s would i then need to integrate it?

the limits of S are 0 to h
 
tiny-tim said:
the limits of S are 0 to h

thats what i thought it was. but i cannot seem to get the correct answer for part C. I am not sure where i am going wrong, my answer is close to the required one, so i don't think i am too far off.
 
if you want us to check your work, you'll have to show us :smile:
 
That is my working out. Much appreciated
 

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it's a little difficult to read, but i think your answer for A is wrong,

you seem to have lost a 1/λ somewhere :confused:
 

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