Fluid mechanics suction question

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The discussion revolves around the design of centrifugal pumps, specifically why the diameter of the delivery pipe is smaller than that of the suction pipe. Participants explore concepts related to fluid dynamics, including Bernoulli's principle, continuity, pressure dynamics, and the implications for pump performance.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the smaller outlet diameter relates to Bernoulli's principle, where a smaller area results in higher flow velocity and reduced pressure.
  • Others argue that the relationship is primarily due to the principle of continuity, stating that centrifugal pumps deliver fluid at a higher velocity than they intake, necessitating a smaller outlet diameter to maintain constant volumetric flowrate.
  • One participant emphasizes that the higher pressure at the outlet compared to the inlet is a key factor, noting that the outlet velocity is dependent on the outlet pipe area.
  • Another viewpoint highlights the importance of minimizing pressure losses upstream of the pump to ensure adequate net positive suction head and prevent cavitation.
  • Some participants mention that while centrifugal pumps accelerate fluid significantly, piston-based pumps may not inherently accelerate flow but can increase pressure without changing velocity significantly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reasons for the size difference between inlet and outlet pipes, with no consensus reached on the primary factors influencing this design choice.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various principles and assumptions, such as incompressibility and the behavior of different types of pumps, but these assumptions are not universally accepted or resolved within the discussion.

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In centrifugal pumps why diameter of delivery pipe is smaller than suction pipe?
 
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It might have to do with Bernoulli's principle , The smaller outlet will have a higher flow velocity and reduced pressure . But I am not 100% positive.
 
It's more to do with simple continuity. Centrifugal pumps deliver fluid at a higher velocity than they intake, so assuming incompressibility (a decent assumption for pretty much all applications with centrifugal pumps), the diameter at the outlet must be smaller than at the inlet since the volumetric flowrate is unchanged and the velocity has increased.
 
cjl said:
... Centrifugal pumps deliver fluid at a higher velocity than they intake, ...

Well, pumps deliver at higher pressure than they intake. The outlet piping velocity will be dependent on the outlet pipe area (due to continuity), not the other way around.

The reason inlet piping is usually larger diameter than outlet piping is to minimize pressure losses upstream of the pump, in order to ensure the pump has adequate net positive suction head (to minimize cavitation in the pump).
 
gmax137 said:
Well, pumps deliver at higher pressure than they intake. The outlet piping velocity will be dependent on the outlet pipe area (due to continuity), not the other way around.

The reason inlet piping is usually larger diameter than outlet piping is to minimize pressure losses upstream of the pump, in order to ensure the pump has adequate net positive suction head (to minimize cavitation in the pump).

True, but some pumps directly increase the pressure of the flow. An example of this is pretty much any piston based pump - the outlet of the pump tends to be about the same velocity as the inlet, but at a significantly increased pressure (which of course can be traded for velocity easily enough). The pump does not inherently accelerate the flow, although it can be used to accelerate the flow if the pump is in conjunction with a nozzle. Centrifugal pumps accelerate the fluid significantly within the pump itself, so at the exit of the pumping mechanism, the flow is much faster than the inlet. You could indeed slow the flow down through a diffuser and then have an outlet that is the same size as the inlet, but the pump's mechanism inherently accelerates the flow. As a result, the outlet tends to be smaller than the inlet.
 

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