Flux Integral: How to find ds for line integrals in general

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The discussion focuses on the calculation of the differential area element ds for line integrals in various coordinate systems. It establishes that in Cartesian coordinates, ds is represented as dx by dz, while in polar coordinates, it is expressed as rdrdθ. The general procedure for finding ds involves considering the coordinate system used and applying the appropriate Jacobian when necessary, particularly in non-Cartesian systems like spherical coordinates.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


flux = int(b (dot) ds)

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I just wanted clarification on finding ds. I understand why ds is in the positive yhat direction (just do rhr) but I don't understand where the dxdz come from. How do we find ds in general?
 
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Marcin H said:
but I don't understand where the dxdz come from.
It s just the area of a rectangular element, dx by dz, in the xz plane. In polar it would have been rdrdθ, etc.
 
haruspex said:
It s just the area of a rectangular element, dx by dz, in the xz plane. In polar it would have been rdrdθ, etc.
So what is the general procedure for finding ds? I feel like I struggle determining ds for problems.
 
Marcin H said:
So what is the general procedure for finding ds? I feel like I struggle determining ds for problems.
It depends on your coordinate system. With general coordinates, ξ, η say, you consider the product dξdη. In general, the area enclosed by the points (ξ,η), (ξ+dξ,η), (ξ+dξ,η+dη), (ξ,η+dη) might have area equal to dξdη. To make the right area you may need to multiply by a Jacobian.

In the case of Cartesian coordinates dxdy does have the right area.
For plane polar coordinates you need a factor r. This works because the increments dr and rdθ are at right angles, so form a near-enough rectangle.
For the surface of a sphere in spherical polar a different Jacobian is needed.
 

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