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Flying rods

  1. May 11, 2003 #1
    Flying Rods
    I strongly believe that flying rods are evoluted on earth, not from the outer space as I don't think they can build any spaceships, nor pass through the atmosphere without getting burnt. However I'm wondering how come they can fly so fast that we can hardly see them with our naked eyes.

    What do you think ?
     
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  3. May 11, 2003 #2
    probably a hoax brought on by weird pictures of birds, then escalated by use of computer programs such as adobe photoshop :wink:. the photos on the site look completely fake, even i could doctor something to that nature up in around 10 minutes. however the possibility always exists that they may be real, i just really doubt it.
     
  4. May 11, 2003 #3

    Ivan Seeking

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    I have seen some very interesting videos of this claim. One optical specialist says that we really need a film, rather than a video, in order to rule out certain types of fraud. On the other hand, some of the videos that I've seen would be no small task to fake. Another possibility that occurs to me is that we are really seeing something inside the lens, or perhaps something very close to the lens. But the one video from the cave jumpers [people parachuting into deep caves...I know, they sound like nuts already] in South America does seem to offer perspective. I think we see a "rod" fly behind a tree branch.

    Another camera team inadvertently recorded a rod while doing another story on the Oregon Vortex. This “vortex” is the standard hill on a hill situation and is a friendly tourist hoax …Knott’s Berry Farm – an amusement park in California - has a vortex also. The circumstances for this particular video are not encouraging…considering that the camera team was promoting a false story in the first place. I feel this lends credence to the notion that many of these videos are faked. Of course, this crew could have been oblivious to all arguments and simply reported what they had recorded
     
  5. May 11, 2003 #4

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    Hmm... I noticed a problem. If these rods are alleged to travel too quickly to be seen with the human eye, how come they appear on these photos without ANY motion blur? They must be using very short exposure films - which they would only be doing, if they were expecting to see the rods in the first place....
    Hmm... I smell a rat....
     
  6. May 11, 2003 #5
    I watched a documentary on 'rods' I could not stop laughing for ages you gotta love em :)
     
  7. May 11, 2003 #6

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    I'm convinced they are nothing more than bugs. Am I the only one who saw the news report from Bagdad, where these "flying rods" were buzzing all around the reporter? They were identicle to those in the photos, or any video you've seen on TV.

    The rod shape with waves along the sides is what the camera makes of a bug flying by, flapping its wings.
     
  8. May 11, 2003 #7

    Ivan Seeking

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    Hello username,
    I was wondering what you saw that convinced you that it was a hoax? I never saw anything convincing either way. To me the weird explanations are just silly, but whethter these alleged unboserved bugs exist or don't exist was to me not clear.
     
  9. May 11, 2003 #8
    It was one of those sensationalist documentaries very funny alien rods etc. Personally I think they are just normal bugs but I try to keep an open mind that they could be something else. This is something that needs more investigation.
     
  10. May 11, 2003 #9

    Ivan Seeking

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    Oh yes. All the garbage out there makes it nearly impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff. I don't get real worked up over this one but a couple of videos did look interesting. Still, interesting is the strongest word that I would use. I would have immediately assumed that we are seeing an optical effect such as the one suggested by Lurch, but the resolution and clarity appear too good. One problem with digital technology is the way that it will compensate given poor focus or highly contrasted lighting.
     
  11. May 11, 2003 #10

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    Extrordinary claims require extrordinary evidence. If it seems to good (weird) to be true, it probably is. This is one of those things that is just too bizarre (not to mention unconfirmed) to be true. Sometimes though, they just "smell" like a hoax. You need to learn to smell a hoax.
    Not at all. The wheat is obvious. Everyting else (the vast majority) is chaff.
     
  12. May 12, 2003 #11

    Ivan Seeking

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    I surely see nothing compelling here, but I think I smell an optical or digital effect rather than a hoax. The bit that I've seen on this implies that quite a few people are recording these alleged anomalies, but I really know little about it. I still tend to think that Lurch could have the right idea.

    When it comes to the wheat and the chaff however, I maintain that the truth is the most elusive thing of all.
     
  13. May 12, 2003 #12

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    I can think of one thing that would clinch it (for most peolpe). If these are ordinary bugs, then somewhere out there, in all the hours of moving footage of these things, there ought to be a video in which one of them bumps into a rock climber, or a window, or something. At the moment where the "rod's" forward progress is halted, it should cease to be a rod and take on the appearance of an ordinary insect.
     
  14. May 13, 2003 #13
    If they are really bugs that we have identified, and we know their characteristics that they can fly at a very high speed, why don't people tell us what they are? Besides, this "rods" issue has been brought up for quite a long time, if there are some enthusiasts out there, why couldn't they draw up conclusions after their long term investigation? Moreover, I think biologists have never shown interests on "rods". :smile:

    I do believe there are odd creatures on earth, perhaps "rods" is one of them if they aren't created by hoaxers.
     
  15. May 13, 2003 #14

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    Quite a few people take pictures of lens flares and say they are spaceships too. Whether something is a mistake or a hoax is simply a question of motive. Its all still chaff.

    And yes, the truth can be elusive - but that means you should be skeptical of EVERYTHING. Most people tend to do the opposite and accept everything. Thats just plain gullibility.
     
  16. May 13, 2003 #15

    Ivan Seeking

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    Crooked people tell lies and honest people make mistakes. No argument from me.



    I agree. Beliefs and needs do get in the way. Still, skepticism can also be taken to extremes.

    One funny example that comes to mind is an old Candid Camera skit - from the 60s or 70s. I think this demonstrates an important point. [This is not really a "rods" argument but oh well] The setup was in a park. The victim happens along and sits on a park bench. In front of the bench is a fake tree trunk - about 6 feet of a large diameter trunk with rest of the tree removed. To the victim this is just an old tree. In reality someone is hiding inside of this false trunk. The gag was that the tree moves whenever the victim is not looking. Things proceeded pretty much as expected... the double takes followed by frowns, head scratches, shocked stares, the works. Last is the guy who happens to look up and see the tree move at just the right time. This gentleman looked right at the tree, saw it move, stared blankly for a moment in disbelief, and then convinced himself that he had not seen the tree move.

    Gullibility comes in two flavors.

    If while all of those around you clamour with panic and fear that the sky is falling, you sit quietly, calm and collected, and with your composer in tact, then perhaps they know something you don't.
     
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  17. May 13, 2003 #16

    Ivan Seeking

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    This however is a faith argument that cannot be defended. Have you seen it all? How much research have you done?
     
  18. May 13, 2003 #17

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    I think you misunderstood. My point was that mistakes and hoaxes are different from each other in the motivation of the person making the claims, but are both still chaff.
     
  19. May 13, 2003 #18
    Spare me the rods and let’s spoil the children…

    And now for something truly irrelevant as I attempt to put the missing text back into their comments;

    These "things" move much to quickly to be seen with the naked eye, but they can be captured on 16 frame per second? film and seen just as clear as a bell when the film is played back in slow motion following doctoring. They appear to have appendages along their headless torsos which move in wave like motion, and the torsos bend as they move and as they move they bend and move in wave like bending motion, moving. Measuring from inches to several pixels, someone had no doubt doctored an amount of film equal to at least five feet in length, flying rods and pink, winged pigs have been observed and filmed all over the world.

    The rods appear to show some type of intelligence similar to political party spokespeople, as they will often dodge things such as any notion of credibility that they would otherwise collide with. I personally cannot say I have seen rods because my belly protrudes too far, or taken footage of them. However, there was a day during this past summer where I was lying on my back at the beach where every so often I would "see" things flying over at extremely high velocities before landing at the airport. At any other time I would just dismiss such instances as bugs, or helicopters flying past, or abberations in my vision, or any number of possible optical distortions that could occur after taking my usual dose Belladonna seeds, except that when I pointed them out to my friend, she saw them also and quickly pulled her top back up. They could only be described as blurs crossing the sky, almost too quickly to be seen. I am not sure what we saw that day, but I only became aware of the blurs because I have been fantasizing about researching this phenomenon for quite awhile now. I have heard skeptics claim that the rods are nothing more than bugs or birds flying very close to the lens of the camera taking the picture, and that may well be true in some cases, though in other cases it is clearly an act of deception. But what Jose filmed that day at the cave, and alot of what others have filmed all over the Earth is much too rated for a family oriented program to air-- No Way would I want you to see me going off half-cocked again!

    The conclusion tonight at 10:00
     
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  20. May 13, 2003 #19

    Ivan Seeking

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    You are correct. Sorry. I will stand down from the pulpit.
     
  21. May 13, 2003 #20

    Ivan Seeking

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    Re: Spare me the rods and let’s spoil the children…


    I'm just guessing here but I'm thinking you're not convinced.
     
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