Flywheel -- Why does it reverse direction after spinning to a stop?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of a flywheel, specifically why it appears to reverse direction after coming to a stop due to friction. Participants explore various aspects of flywheel mechanics, including the effects of mass distribution, friction, and external forces, while considering both theoretical and practical implications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that friction in the axle may cause the flywheel to rotate in the opposite direction after it stops.
  • Others propose that the distribution of mass in the flywheel, particularly if it is not symmetrical, could influence its behavior upon stopping.
  • A participant mentions the concept of "friction recoil" and speculates on how it might affect the flywheel's motion.
  • There are discussions about the role of the string and weight in the flywheel's operation, with some asserting that the string's presence does not affect the reversal of motion.
  • Some participants question whether the observed reversal could be an optical illusion rather than a physical phenomenon.
  • Several participants share personal experiences with similar behaviors in other rotating systems, such as doors and bicycle wheels, but express skepticism about the same occurring in a purpose-designed flywheel.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of balancing and alignment for smooth operation of rotating equipment, suggesting that these factors could influence the flywheel's behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the mechanics of the flywheel, with no consensus reached on the exact reasons for the observed reversal of motion. Some agree on the influence of friction and mass distribution, while others challenge these ideas or propose alternative explanations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note various assumptions and conditions that may affect the flywheel's behavior, such as the design of the flywheel, the presence of friction, and the symmetry of mass distribution. These factors remain unresolved in the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying mechanical systems, physics students exploring rotational dynamics, or hobbyists experimenting with flywheel designs.

  • #31
I find it difficult to believe that a correctly designed heavy flywheel bearing would have enough friction recoil to make it rotate back much.

Edit: Can we see a video?
 
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  • #32
You could do some experiments, putting the wheel at various angles and letting it go to see where it goes.
Also, no one has suggested the possibility that this is an optical illusion. It could that there is no real reverse motion at all and that your brain is misinterpreting what you are seeing. There are many websites that show such illusions of motion. You can have an enjoyable Google session, finding them and seeing the effects.

This is a direct parallel with linear motion. Apart from a 'bounce' due to resilience in the system, you would hardly expect a mass that is brought to a halt, to move backwards after it comes to rest.
 
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  • #33
I was going to make a video of my big old heavy door with really old hinges but as it tries to come to a stop it bounces back and forth a few times like a diminishing sine wave.
 
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  • #34
I remember in younger days trying to "check" the balance factor of a bicycle wheel which did the same thing, I was able to make it not happen by loosening the bearings a bit.
 
  • #35
I've seen it with a door and a bike wheel but not a purpose designed flywheel.
 
  • #36
It's just a matter of 'to bounce or not to bounce', surely. The general implication of the OP is wrong.
 
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