Food as Software and the end of livestock

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of food production as a technological process, particularly focusing on the potential shift from traditional livestock farming to alternative protein sources, including those derived from bacteria and tissue cultures. The implications for food security, environmental impact, and public health are also considered.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight the potential benefits of alternative food sources for food security, CO2 emissions, and public health.
  • One participant notes that the proposed method of producing proteins in bacteria may oversimplify the complexity of traditional foods, particularly meat, which consists of various proteins and other chemicals.
  • There is a suggestion that achieving the textures and flavors of traditional foods would require a detailed combination of different proteins and chemicals.
  • Another viewpoint proposes that growing tissue cultures from metazoan cells could be more complex and costly compared to producing simpler food alternatives.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the feasibility and economic viability of these alternative food production methods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and implications of alternative food production methods, with no consensus reached on the effectiveness or desirability of these approaches.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the economic viability of various food production methods and the complexity of replicating traditional food textures and flavors, which remain unresolved.

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This is a futurist site, curious about how far away this really is

Huge benefits to food security, CO2 emissions, public health etc

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2019/...-is-going-to-radically-change-your-world.html
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My impression after glancing at this is that they want to make proteins in bacteria to replace/supplement normal foods.
They claim economic benefits.

This seems to me, to be a kind of one dimensional version of food, in particular meat which they reference in the Impossible burger. "Normal" foods are derived from tissues, which cellular structures made of a vast assortment of different proteins, as well as other chemicals, like lipids and carbohydrates. This does not fall out of cultures producing a single kind of protein (or a few) in vast amounts. They would have to combined in some detailed manner to generate equivalent textures.
The impossible burger uses as starting material biological tissue from non-animal sources (but with a cellular structure containing their own complex chemical mixtures.
Perhaps, in the future, growing up only knowing non-textured foods would reduce the economic importance that difference.

Alternatively, you could grow tissue cultures of metazoan cells.
This would be much more difficult and produce cells at much lower densities.
More labor and more costly.
Its hard to believe that growing a crop (perhaps genetically redesigned) to generate a useful component for some complex "artificial" food, like the impossible burger, would not be cheaper ($/Kg) then metazoan tissue culturing it.

Simpler food, OK.
 
That was the world’s longest advertisement for protein powder.
 
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I think we got the point. Thread closed. Really close to too speculative for PF.
 

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