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The YouTube channel The Great War has been producing weekly videos about World War I for four years, detailing events as they occurred a century ago. The series has released hundreds of videos covering various aspects of the war, including weapons, tactics, and key figures, making it a valuable resource for anyone interested in this historical conflict. As the WWI series concludes, the channel has launched a new series on World War II, adopting a similar week-by-week narrative approach that immerses viewers in the timeline of events. This unique perspective contrasts with traditional historical accounts, enhancing the understanding of the complexities and chaos of wartime experiences. The channel's content is highly recommended for those looking to deepen their knowledge of these significant historical events.
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No argument from my perspective on the perfidy of nazi Germany and the deplorable tactics employed during WWI. Rather, within the confines of this thread, the historical record of life and death within the USSR requires ongoing research as information becomes exposed and translated after the fall of the Soviet Union. Although an important step in understanding the USSR in this period, I have never been satisfied with Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's scholarship and bias.

As a recipient of a classical education I chose the years between WWI and WWII, inclusive, as "my period" of study. Security, censorship and cultural bias left numerous lacunae in understanding the Soviet revolution and subsequent governments. Even as an adult, I found more similarities than opposites understanding policy within Stalinist USSR and nazi Germany. Admittedly, I much prefer studying American Jazz and Weimar Dada movements, for examples during this period, to trying to fathom the evil of concentration camps and ingrained antisemitism in both countries.
 
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From Erwin Bartmann's memoir - how the anti-Jew hatred was being imposed on the German troops:

The train slowed. Life returned to the bored faces of my Kameraden. A sign drifted past the window: Kraków. Even before the train juddered to a halt, the carriage doors crashed open. We poured onto the platform and lined up in our platoons to await further instructions. ‘There is no transport available. We must march to our destination,’ explained an officer. The evening air was pleasantly mild and I looked forward to stretching my legs after the long journey. Singing our soldiers’ songs, our hob-nailed boots struck the cobbled road in perfect synchrony – a thousand feet, a single entity, a single will – the realisation of my boyhood dream of joining the Leibstandarte. In the fading light, a double set of tram rails led us over a bridge spanning the River Vistula. After a short distance, they disappeared under two massive timber gates, each surmounted by a curving archway carrying an inscription written in Hebrew. On top of the central pillar separating the gates was the Judenstern (Star of David). As if by its own will, the gate on the right creaked open at our approach, the entrance to a dark and sinister world. Our mouths fell silent as we marched through the dingy streets. From the open windows of apartment blocks, gaunt faces stared at us with haunted eyes. Jeers of hatred rose up from behind the open doors of the dilapidated buildings. Hands with piss pots in them darted from upstairs windows to fling their contents over us. ‘Do not react,’ ordered an officer, ‘they have their own customs and laws here.’ After leaving the ghetto, we followed the rise in the road until we reached the barracks where units of the Waffen SS Division Totenkopf were billeted. We slung our backpacks onto the bunks. Those who had fallen victim to the cascades of urine cleaned themselves up as best they could. Fortunately, most of those in my platoon escaped the soaking.

https://books.google.com/books?id=oOnZAwAAQBAJ
 
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Drakkith said:
Imagine if 1 out of 5 people in the U.S. were casualties during WW2. Absolutely insane.
It's a hypothetical for the US, but it's the actual proportion lost by Poland.
 
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I saw 1917 (2019) the other day and was completely mesmerized by it. Just an a-m-a-z-i-n-g movie.
Saving Private Ryan is one of my favorite movies, and I liked 1917 at least as much, maybe even more!

The filming is exceptional! They actually did something which has never been made before in the history of movies, but I won't reveal it since it would be a spoiler for those who have not seen it. If you want to see the movie, do not read about it until you've seen it. And if you have seen it, don't reveal it here, please. :wink:

What I am thinking of can not be seen in the trailer, which is here:


My rating:

Suspense/Thrill: 11/10 :smile:
Filming: 10/10
Acting: 9/10
Story: 9/10

...so you may understand that I liked this movie a LOT.
An interesting thing is that even if it depicts mostly men, it was cowritten by one man and one woman.
And they sure did their homework.

If you are interested in WW1, you simply have to see this movie.
And if you are not interested in WW1, you still simply have to see this movie. :smile:
 
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DennisN said:
I saw 1917 (2019) the other day and was completely mesmerized by it. Just an a-m-a-z-i-n-g movie.
Saving Private Ryan is one of my favorite movies, and I liked 1917 at least as much, maybe even more!

The filming is exceptional! They actually did something which has never been made before in the history of movies, but I won't reveal it since it would be a spoiler for those who have not seen it. If you want to see the movie, do not read about it until you've seen it. And if you have seen it, don't reveal it here, please. :wink:

What I am thinking of can not be seen in the trailer, which is here:


My rating:

Suspense/Thrill: 11/10 :smile:
Filming: 10/10
Acting: 9/10
Story: 9/10

...so you may understand that I liked this movie a LOT.
An interesting thing is that even if it depicts mostly men, it was cowritten by one man and one woman.
And they sure did their homework.

If you are interested in WW1, you simply have to see this movie.
And if you are not interested in WW1, you still simply have to see this movie. :smile:

It's definitely one I want to watch
 
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pinball1970 said:
It's definitely one I want to watch
That sounds good! :smile:
I saw it at daytime and still found it very scary, and if I had the opportunity to watch it again for the first time, I would see it in complete darkness instead. :smile:
 
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@Drakkith , you are the starter of this thread. Have you seen 1917?
 
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DennisN said:
@Drakkith , you are the starter of this thread. Have you seen 1917?

Yep. Great movie.
 
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After I saw 1917 I did some wikireading on WW1 and stumbled upon three interesting facts I did not know:
  • There are still areas of "no mans land" from WW1 that are forbidden to visit, due to the large amount of unexploded ammunition and large levels of toxins present. The areas in France are called Zone Rouge* (Red Zone):
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  • Erich Ludendorff had such extreme views that the Nazis did not want to associate with him (!).

    Erich Ludendorff was one of the two de facto leaders of Germany during WW1, along with Hindenburg; Germany became practically a military dictatorship during the war. Ludendorff is very much connected to Hitler and the rise of the Nazis and therefore also World War II, which is another indicator of how much the two world wars are connected.

    Ludendorff got quite extreme and crazy after the loss of World War I, and got into conspiracy theories and antisemitism. He got so extreme that the Nazis did not want to associate with him (!), quote:

    "Ludendorff's behavior became more erratic. Years before, he had begun a romantic affair with psychologist Dr. Mathilde Kemnitz, a Nazi hanger-on with delusional theories that Word War I had been orchestrated by an alliance of Jews, Catholic Jesuits, and Freemasons. Former friends distanced themselves from him, with even the Nazis eventually declaring him too extreme."

    He is also very much connected to the Stab-in-the-back myth which contributed to the political success of the Nazis in Germany, quote:

    "Malcolm asked him: "Do you mean, General, that you were stabbed in the back?" Ludendorff's eyes lit up and he leapt upon the phrase like a dog on a bone. "Stabbed in the back?" he repeated. "Yes, that's it, exactly, we were stabbed in the back". And thus was born a legend which has never entirely perished."

    Articles:
    Stab in the back myth - Origins of the myth
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  • Early versions of modern tanks was first introduced in World War I, and the word "tank" is not directly related to its use. It was a word they chose to keep the development secret, quote:

    "In Great Britain, an initial vehicle, nicknamed Little Willie, was constructed at William Foster & Co., during August and September 1915. The prototype of a new design that became the Mark I tank was demonstrated to the British Army on February 2, 1916. Although initially termed "Landships" by the Landship Committee, production vehicles were named "tanks", to preserve secrecy. The term was chosen when it became known that the factory workers at William Foster referred to the first prototype as "the tank" because of its resemblance to a steel water tank."

    Source: Tanks in World War I

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* In 2004 I was on a trip in France with two friends where we participated in the 60th anniversary of D-Day (The Normandy invasion in 1944). We camped close beside Omaha Beach.

We visited a lot of other historical places, among them Oradour-Sur Glane where I took many photos which I later released as public domain (some of them are here on the Wikipedia page). The interesting result of releasing them as public domain is that I have seen some of my photos appear in e.g. newspapers all over the world in articles about Oradour-Sur Glane, which made me quite happy; it was quite satisfying to unexpectedly achieve some historical impact with mere tourist photos. :biggrin:

We also visited Verdun which is famous for the Battle of Verdun in 1916 during WW1.
And Verdun is very close to the Red Zone of "no mans land". Here are some photos I took in Verdun:

A monument:

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Another monument:

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Another monument:

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Top of the monument:

(some photo artifacts, because I removed my two friends from the photo as I do not have asked them permission to post them publicly)

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A big gun:

(some photo artifacts, because I removed my two friends from the photo as I do not have asked them permission to post them publicly)

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The barrel of the big gun:

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  • Erich Ludendorff had such extreme views that the Nazis did not want to associate with him (!).

    Erich Ludendorff was one of the two de facto leaders of Germany during WW1, along with Hindenburg; Germany became practically a military dictatorship during the war. Ludendorff is very much connected to Hitler and the rise of the Nazis and therefore also World War II, which is another indicator of how much the two world wars are connected.

    Ludendorff got quite extreme and crazy after the loss of World War I, and got into conspiracy theories and antisemitism. He got so extreme that the Nazis did not want to associate with him (!), quote:

    "Ludendorff's behavior became more erratic. Years before, he had begun a romantic affair with psychologist Dr. Mathilde Kemnitz, a Nazi hanger-on with delusional theories that Word War I had been orchestrated by an alliance of Jews, Catholic Jesuits, and Freemasons. Former friends distanced themselves from him, with even the Nazis eventually declaring him too extreme."

    He is also very much connected to the Stab-in-the-back myth which contributed to the political success of the Nazis in Germany, quote:

    "Malcolm asked him: "Do you mean, General, that you were stabbed in the back?" Ludendorff's eyes lit up and he leapt upon the phrase like a dog on a bone. "Stabbed in the back?" he repeated. "Yes, that's it, exactly, we were stabbed in the back". And thus was born a legend which has never entirely perished."

    Articles:
    Stab in the back myth - Origins of the myth
    Everything You Need to Know About the Nazi Villain from 'Wonder Woman'

Although Ludendorff's extreme views came at an inconvenient time when the Nazis were trying to woo traditional German conservatives by appearing respectable. Supposedly he sent this to Hindenburg in 1933 when Hitler was appointed Chancellor:
I solemnly prophesy that this accursed man will cast our Reich into the abyss and bring our nation to inconceivable misery. Future generations will damn you in your grave for what you have done.[66]

Later after Hitler assumed power he tried to make Ludendorff a Field Marshall but he declined to accept.
 
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AI colorized and enhanced video of HMS Barham capsizing and suffering a magazine explosion.

You can see several terrifying things:
  • Men sliding/jumping off of the side of the ship.
  • Multi-hundred-ton pieces of the armor belt flying hundreds of feet into the air (near top of screen just after explosion).
  • A huge piece of the deck fold back on itself and nearly impacting the superstructure. That's a 1-3 inch piece of steel that's roughly 150-250 feet long and 75 feet across.
The Barham was hit by 3 torpedoes fired from U-331 at a ludicrously close range of 410 yards. That's just over two ship-lengths away, as the Barham was almost 200 yards long. At 40 knots, a torpedo would only take about 18 seconds to hit the ship, giving the Barham no time to react and dodge or make preparations.

Barham sank in 4 minutes after being hit, taking 862 men down with her.
 
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Drakkith said:
Barham sank in 4 minutes after being hit, taking 862 men down with her.

after watching that, its amazing that 337 survived
 
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BWV said:
Looking forward to it as well, hope it doesn’t suck

This was a good relatively recent WW1 film, about the mining of Messine Ridge, the largest man made explosion until Trinity


I saw Beneath Hill 60 a couple of days ago, and I liked it a lot. I thought it was a rather unusual war movie, as it was about sappers/engineers. Thanks for the suggestion! :smile:
 
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Another good WW1 movie, this was a 1928 play about a British unit unknowingly on the schwerpunkt of the German 1918 Operation Michael offensive.

 
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BWV said:
Another good WW1 movie, this was a 1928 play about a British unit unknowingly on the schwerpunkt of the German 1918 Operation Michael offensive.
I will see it. :smile:

I remembered one WW1 movie I saw a long time ago, The Lost Battalion. If I remember correctly I liked it. Trailer:
I still haven't seen Gallipoli, which I think is a rather well-known WW1 movie.
 
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Soviet cavalry was one of the more effective forces in the war. With the vast spaces, poor roads and bad weather, horses could often cover more distance than motorized vehicles. Aside from a few notable instances, such as when cossacks rode down stragglers from the Korsun pocket, according to legend, slicing off the hands of Germans with their hands up in surrender, calvary troops dismounted to fight. Turns out the Soviet general staff had studied the CSA’s use of cavalry in the American Civil War.

Red Sabers: J. E. B. Stuart, Soviet Cavalry Guru
https://www.historynet.com/red-sabers-j-e-b-stuart-soviet-cavalry-guru.htm
 
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December 7th, 1941. A date which will live in infamy...

 
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Part one of a fantastic series of videos on Pearl Harbor by Indy Neidell and the rest of the TimeGhost team:

 
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WWII was several conflicts occurring at the same time in different parts of the world. WWII quickly turned into a war of attrition and both the Germans and Japanese ran into the same problems. Neither could deliver the "knock out blow" required to end their respective parts of the war and both ended up in an attritional wars against countries bigger and more resourceful than they were, there was always only going to be one outcome when those "knock out blows" did not succeed.

I fear nothing has really change on that front. The big / resourceful countries are the ones which make the difference. Other countries can play the "were important and heavy hitters too" card but in reality they would crumble if ones of the big countries started a war with them.

I fear if war broke out again we would see a similar scenario as we did in WWII, after a few years of fighting only a handful of countries would remain.
 
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BWV said:
Aside from a few notable instances, ... calvary troops dismounted to fight.
I imagine they would tether the horses some distance away from the point of contact with the enemy? And there would be soldiers detailed to look after the horses?
 
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Swamp Thing said:
I imagine they would tether the horses some distance away from the point of contact with the enemy? And there would be soldiers detailed to look after the horses?
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yes, this was also how cavalry generally fought in the American Civil War
 
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Drakkith said:
AI colorized and enhanced video of HMS Barham capsizing and suffering a magazine explosion.
Another explosion, but one involving an ammunition supply ship in harbor, not due to enemy action. November 10, 1944. "The ship was simply gone." "The largest piece of the more than 400 ft long vessel that has ever been found was a piece of hull that was some 16 ft by 10 ft." The LCM (landing craft, mechanized) along side were disintegrated. The ship's anchorage had a depth of 19 fathoms (114 ft). The force of the explosion tore a trench in the ocean 1000 ft long by 200 ft wide and between 30 and 40 feet deep.

 
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mathwonk said:
As I recall the main application of geology I learned about was its value in locating oil reserves.
And minerals and ores.

After a few decades, I came to believe that WWI, which precipitated WWII, was a continuation of ongoing conflicts. European history is rife with such events. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe#19th_century

It appears that the world collectively has still not learned. - war is such a terrible waste.
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Hi Astronuc, long time no see!

I hope both the times and tides are seeing you well!

A phrase came out in WWII, I believe, though it could be much older that states;

"The only thing worse than fighting a war is losing a war."

It always astounds me how little armored combat inside an urban area it takes to completely hose the infrastructure.

I once saw an Abrams assault and demolish a five story former hotel and never used its main gun. It was a built up area so the tank was actually in the street right in front of the building, firing upwards. On the *first pass* of the coax guns the whole front first set of rooms collapsed from the second floor upwards, fortunately they folded back against the building itself and didn't fall outwards into the street. The hotel was made of reinforced concrete so the surviving rebar pulled most of it back inwards.

I don't think the tank cared.

Apparently the Marines were mad at this place 'cause it didn't stop there.
 
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Oh, I just saw the posts concerning the movie 1917.

I have one, and only one, non-spoiler complaint about it.

Every single person in that movie, due to their front line positions, with few exceptions, should have been filthy on a scale most of you wouldn't believe possible. (And still survive at least.)

I couldn't unsee it. Barely a five-o-clock shadow among them.

That was where the whole concept of Orcs came from. Tolkien did time in the trenches before writing his novels.

You ever notice the reference to the "filthy feet of Orcs" being used more than once? The bottoms of the trenches in WWI invariably became soups of mud, feces, and decomposing human blood and body fragments that you had no choice but to walk and crawl through. (If you wanted to live that is.)

And if you have a better definition of filth..., please, keep it to yourself. (joking)
 
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Not only did Hitler's troops eat the Stalingrad cats, they made the Leningrad population eat their cats, too.
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I've discovered two good history channels on youtube lately, one about a variety of history topics (Lindybeige) including ancient/medieval warfare but also things related to WW1 and WW2, and one about various old weapons (Forgotten Weapons) which has many videos about various WW2 weapons. The fellows are quite knowledgeable. Here are some examples:

British Heavy Tanks of World War One (Lindybeige)
- a fascinating tour outside and inside of the various first modern tanks used in WW1, the British Mark I(+) tanks. The conditions for the crew members must have been very rough, which is described in the video. E.g. the engines were not in separated compartments inside the tanks.
Videos about the German Sturmgewehr 44 (which was the first working assault rifle) from "Forgotten Weapons":

Sturmgewehr MP-44 Part II: History & Implementation
Evolution of the Sturmgewehr: MP43/1, MP43, MP44, and StG44
(another fascinating video on Forgotten Weapons is this one, which is about the world's largest black powder cannon, a 100-ton gun which fired projectiles that weighed almost a tonne (!). These were installed some time before WW1, though).
 
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The winter of 1941 was one of the coldest on record in Russia (but not the Western Hemisphere)

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https://www.climate4you.com/Climate...ation Barbarossa, the German invation of USSR

Barbarossa had already failed by the time the cold hit in December, but certainly this played a role - the stories of frozen engines, guns etc are well known

The article in the link claims a low temperature of -53C NW of Moscow based on German records, but the official all-time low temp for Moscow is -42C set in Jan 1940 and the lowest temperature recorded in European Russia is -58C, far to the NE of Moscow in the foothills of the Urals
 
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Interesting perspective
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/military-vehicle-news/battle-of-britain-8.html

The author of a journal which was published as “Spitfire! The Experiences of a Fighter Pilot” was unknown to most of the world. With his silk scarf and tousled hair, Lane was dubbed the “finest of The Few”.

The firsthand account of the British hero’s daily life during the Battle of Britain was released under the pseudonym B.J. Ellan . . . [/URL]

But now it is known the Ellan was the nom de plume of Squadron Leader Brian “Sandy” Lane. He was shot down over Holland in December 1942.
On the way home he is left to ponder why he felt sorry for the enemy. On the one hand he recognizes the threat the pilot of the other planes represents – perhaps tomorrow that same pilot will not hesitate to shoot down Lane.

Yet he also understands that the other pilot is just another man who happens to believe what he has been told by the leaders of his country.

Lane was working as a foreman at a light bulb factory when he signed up for the service in 1936. He rose to the rank of Flying Officer quickly and was responsible for a squadron of Spitfires.

He developed a reputation of being fearless and skilled in the air. During the Dunkirk evacuations he earned the Distinguished Flying Cross for bravery.
 
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Just wanted to say thank you to all who contributed to this thread. It is really interesting
 
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Untold History about the B-29 Superfortress
 
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Preparation for WWII started shortly before Hitler was elected Fuhrer. I was never interested in WWI until about 5 years ago. There are 1000s of videos to watch. Hitler had his thugs murder his opposition he won the election by a land slide. Hitler immediately had Krupp start building big artillery guns. The Paris gun shot artillery shells 76 miles that was WWI. The history channel and Secrets of the Dead have the best videos. Last night I found a new WWII video with new information I have never seen before. Have you seen the video where lightning strike causes a farm field explosion from about 2000 tons of WWI underground explosives. I think it was this summer July 2022 when 2 people were killed in London when a German bomb exploded. German Ardennes forest is a wilderness area full of 1000s of unexploded bombs, artillery shells, mortar shells, hand grenades. Documentaries show Germanys on people were helping the Americans win the war. Its all interesting especially the technology Germany was 20 years ahead of the rest of the world, even now no one has learned a lesson from WWII especially American. Germany values its own people they make sure everyone has a free education and a job.
 
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There are 8 Episodes of this video.
 
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When I was growing up, I build plastic models of WWII ships and planes, but then got more into the history and technology. I collected a number of the Ballantine Series, which has books on Battles, Campaigns, Weapons, Leaders, . . .

http://navalmarinearchive.com/research/ballantine_wwii_series.html

Sets are still around. I'm not sure what happened to my set, since I moved so often during university years that I may have lost them, or left them with may parents, who subsequently gave them away.
 
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gary350 said:
he history channel and Secrets of the Dead have the best videos.
I MUCH prefer youtube videos done by single producers or small teams than I do those by The History Channel or other companies. I find there to be much better information in the former videos, as they often literally go through the numbers on production, costs, kills, and other statistics and often provide the very sources they're using. They're often less concerned with making shows that cater to peoples preconceived views on WW2 as well. I can't begin to count the number of claims I've heard from The History Channel that, upon looking into them, don't hold up to reality.
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Its all interesting especially the technology Germany was 20 years ahead of the rest of the world
What technology? The Allies were at least roughly equal to Germany technologically in almost every category except rocketry. I'd say we were even ahead of them in several key areas, such as electronics, almost right from the start. And most early gaps in equipment quality were made up by the Allies well before the war was over. Some of the claimed technological advantages, say in armored vehicles, are mostly myths. German armor was good, but so were allied armored units.

The main point most bring up in regards to armor has to do with the heavy tanks of Germany and how effective they were against allied tanks on the western front. Sure. But only because we had to literally ship our tanks across an ocean and couldn't just put them on a train right at the factory and ship them to the front lines. That constraint severely limited US and UK tank options to the point that the allies decided early on that they weren't going to focus on heavy tanks, instead relying on medium tanks (which had done the job just fine everywhere so far) for armored support. Not having heavy tanks was a disadvantage, sure, but it wasn't a technological disadvantage in my opinion, it was a logistical one.

Submarines? No, both Germany and the Allies had very good submarines. Naval weapons? Probably more advantage to the Allies if you include all of the anti-sub weaponry and supporting equipment. Surface warships? Absolute advantage to the Allies. The new state-of-the-art battleships (SoDak's, Iowa's) by the U.S. were more effective than the Bismarks thanks to better fire control, bigger guns, and better design (SoDak's had comparable armor, slightly less speed, but more guns of a larger caliber on 5,000 tons less displacement).

German DD's... basically didn't exist and the few that did were overweight monsters that wanted to be light cruisers. The Allies had what is arguably the best destroyers ever built for their time, the Fletcher class. They were well built, well armed, seaworthy, had excellent fire control and AA, and were versatile enough to take constant upgrades without compromising their seaworthiness. German heavy cruisers were inefficient and performed rather poorly. Comparable Allied ships, such as the New Orleans class, had more guns, better armor, and were just as fast. The Deutschland class had big guns, but not much else. The Allies had fantastic light cruisers, while Germany had basically none, so there's no real comparison here.

Aircraft? Allies absolutely win when it comes to bombers. No comparison at all. Fighters? Again, I have to give it to the allies. Especially in the last few years of the war. German rocket interceptors were a novel idea, but not very effective, and the British had operational jet fighters within two months of the Germans. Conventional fighters like the BF-109 were good, but not really better than many Allied fighters. Ground attack aircraft? Again, the Germans come out swinging hard with aircraft like the Stuka, but any gap is quickly made up by the Allies just a few years into the war if not earlier.

Production technology? I think the U.S. and perhaps the Soviet Union have that category hands down. Chemical technology? I don't know enough about the subject to say either way. Same for medical technology and other lesser known areas that aren't mentioned. And I'm not sure if Nuclear Weapons is its own category or not, but we all know who won that one.

There's really no clear area where Germany leads throughout the war except rocketry. If anyone has one they think Germany leads in, please let me know.

gary350 said:
even now no one has learned a lesson from WWII especially American.
I don't know what this means.
 
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Drakkith said:
There's really no clear area where Germany leads throughout the war except rocketry.
That was a very expensive lead for the Germans, in fact it was a military loss.

Neither V1 nor V2 gave a military result, yet they diverted valuable resources from both sides. They were terror weapons, designed to destroy civilian infrastructure.

As a terror weapon, the V1 would level a city block when it exploded in building structures above ground, but the V1 could be countered by AA fire using the new radio-proximity fuses, then quite unknown to the Germans.

Once launched, the V2 could not be countered, but with only half the weight of explosives carried by the V1, and tending to explode underground due to its speed, it caused significantly less damage than a V1.

The ME 163 Komet shot down sixteen allied aircraft, but it seems it killed more German pilots due to accidents with the hypergolic propellants employed, before it was withdrawn from service as a liability.

The allies invented "Operations Research" to minimise the cost of resources needed to prosecute the war. OR eliminated much of the emotional reaction from the allied planning. The V1, V2 and Komet would have been precluded by OR from development by the allies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operations_research
 
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Rolls Royce Merlin Engine ~ over 150 K built. Over 50 variants built. Inital power ~ 1000 hp, final power ~2050 hp. Capacity ~ 27 l. Carburated engine used in Spitfires, Hurricanes, Mosquitoes, Mustangs, and others

Daimler Benz BD 601 V12 engine (39 l), fuel injected, used in Me/Bf-109 and -110
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler-Benz_DB_601

BMW 801 radial (42 l) R14, fuel injected, used in FW-190
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_801

Junkers Jumo 004, first jet engine

 
  • #91
REPUBLIC XR-12 RAINBOW - World's Fastest Four-Engine Piston-Powered Aircraft - developed in 1945, but not ready until 1946/1947

 
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From vid description:
In 1938 Ernst Shafer and his team set off to Tibet in the name of the German Reich. In the popular imagination they were chasing a mythical land for Heinrich Himmler. But what was the reality? Were Shafer and his team chasing another Ahnenerbe fiasco or was it a legitimate expedition with real goals? Was it a success? What did they find in Tibet? The entire history of that strange expedition in 38/39 will be revealed in this video.

 
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Drakkith said:
Four years ago, the youtube channel The Great War started producing weekly videos detailing the events of World War 1, as they happened, week by week, one-hundred years ago. Since then they've released hundreds of videos, including many about the weapons, equipment, tactics, and important persons in addition to the weekly release. I've watched nearly all of their videos and I enjoyed them greatly. There is so much about the war that I either misunderstood or had never heard of at all, and I highly recommend that anyone who thinks they might want to learn about one of the most terrible conflicts in human history give this series a look. The video below is the first episode of the series. Enjoy!



In addition, now that their main series on The Great War is coming to a close the folks over at that channel have recently started another series along the same vein for World War 2. It may not be the centennial anniversary of that conflict, but I think we can forgive them for not waiting another twenty years to start. If this new series is anything like the first (which it appears that it is) you'll likely learn a lot about the war. One of the main differences between this channel and most of the other media sources is the perspective of going through the war week by week, as if you're living through the war in real time. For example, in most places you'll read or hear, "On September 1st, 1939 the German Army invaded Poland, kicking off World War Two." But in this series it starts as, "On September 1st, 1939 the German Army invaded Poland, and the Polish-German War of 1939 had begun."

Perspective matters. :wink:

First episode of the series:

Wasn't it one of Himmler's twisted ideas searching for the biological roots of the Nazi "ubermench"? I seem to have read or seen something to that effect, but as you yourself mentioned there's a plethora of documentation regarding WWII. It's weird how criminal regimes like to document their atrocities only to try to burn it all last minute. With electronic storage I guess that's gonna be more difficult in the future.

I'll try to dig up a reference....
 
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BTW, wasn't there a thread called something like "For WW2 buffs"? Has it been retitled to this thread?
 
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Swamp Thing said:
BTW, wasn't there a thread called something like "For WW2 buffs"? Has it been retitled to this thread?
Yes, and I don't know why. I'll fix it.
 
  • #96
That has been happening to threads for a while now. Every once in a while they rename themselves into something posted in the thread. Sometimes to something related to the first post and sometimes something else.
 
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difalcojr said:
I had heard that U.S. General Patton was looking for the SS training base when his army marched through Germany. Does the town of Wildflecken show up in any histories or biographies of Patton that anyone knows of?
I haven't read any biographies of Patton, so I can't say anything about them, but I also haven't heard of such a thing in anything else I've seen or read of Patton either.
 
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That anecdote was told to me when I was stationed there in the U.S. Army. Don't remember who told me, long time ago. Never thought of it again until now, seeing this thread on WWII.

It was the location of their SS officer training center.

I do have access to a couple of Patton biographies, though, so I'll take a quick look soon, to see if there is any mention of it. Nothing about it in the movie.
 
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Yes, what I heard was correct. Wildflecken Training Area was looked for but not found. Some web quotes:

"Due to the densely wooded vegetation and effective camouflage, WTA was never discovered by allied aerial reconnaisance throughout the War. German military training terminated before 6 April 1945, when elements of the Third U.S. Army occupied the area. After a short fight against the retreating germans, units of the 14th Armor Division and the 3rd Infantry Division gained control of the vast insallation."
"To make the camp as invisible as possible, all buildings were placed inside the already existing woods. Every tree to be cut down needed a special permision. This natural camoflage saved Camp Wildflecken from bombing up to the war's end."

March 22, 1945: Patton's 3rd Army, 5th Division, crossed the Rhine at Oppenheim at night.
April 6: 3rd Army occupies Wildflecken and Camp Wildflecken. 174km (108 miles) distant.

March 22, 1945.jpeg


In a very short time, the 3rd Army found and occupied the huge training camp (18,000 acres).
However, the aerial reconnaissance never identified it from the air. And Patton and the Allies were surely seeking it. A major Wehrmacht and Waffen SS infantry, artillery, and armor training camp.

It is in a dense, tall tree, forested area, a rough, beautiful place of 'Wild Spots', in translation. Inclement weather and cold winters. Entire camp still completely intact, though, thankfully, and still in use today as a training camp for military exercises. Very well built in 1937. In northern Bavaria on the border with Hesse. Beautiful area of Germany.

http://www.campwildflecken.heinzleitsch.de/us-army/wta_history.htm
http://www.campwildflecken.heinzleitsch.de/truppenlager/en-beginn.htm
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?kn=wise: pictorial history of the second world war&sts=t&cm_sp=SearchF-_-topnav-_-Results Volume IV.
 
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