Force exerted by a jumping dog

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around estimating the maximum load exerted by a dog on a ramp while climbing out of the water, focusing on the physics involved in calculating this force. Participants explore the implications of the dog's weight and acceleration on the ramp's design and buoyancy requirements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to estimate the maximum load the dog might exert on the ramp, questioning whether it could be 1.5 to 2 times his weight.
  • Another participant suggests that if an athletic dog could exert a force of 2 times his weight, it would imply a significant acceleration, potentially around 1G, leading to a guess of 1/5 to 1/10 of his weight as a more reasonable estimate.
  • A suggestion is made to time the dog's ascent up stairs to gather data on his acceleration, which could inform the calculations.
  • One participant requests additional details, including sketches, to better understand the situation and assist with calculations.
  • A participant clarifies that they are assuming the ramp is rigid and will not move in response to the dog's movement, simplifying the calculations for the buoy size needed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying estimates for the maximum load the dog might exert, with no consensus reached on a specific multiplier of the dog's weight. The discussion remains open with multiple viewpoints on how to approach the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the situation is dynamic and that estimating the force exerted by the dog involves assumptions about acceleration and the ramp's rigidity. There are also limitations in the provided data, such as the lack of precise measurements and the need for further empirical observations.

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Hey guys,

I designed a ramp to go from a boat dock into the water, allowing our dog to exit the water. I've done some rough calculations to estimate how large of a buoy I need underneath my ramp, and am missing only one variable at this point. I have accounted for the "live weight" which includes our dog on the ramp. I know exactly how much our dog weighs, but am curious what sort of maximum load the ramp might experience considering our dog would be moving and accelerating the ramp as he climbs out. So I have two questions:

1) What is a reasonable estimate for the maximum load my dog would place on the ramp while climbing out in terms of his weight. For example, 1.5 times his weight, 2 times his weight, etc.
2) My second question is essentially the same as the first, except I am looking for an approximate physics explanation of how I could reasonably estimate this force. I assume this activity would be hard to pin down exactly and how be extremely dynamic, but a first order approximation is fine!

Thanks for any help!
 
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xshovelfighter said:
I've done some rough calculations to estimate how large of a buoy I need underneath my ramp, and am missing only one variable at this point.
Care to share ? Preferably with a drawing/sketch/picture of the situation Helps helpers help you better ...
 
No problem! I attached a picture. Please note that the sketches are not scale... F_b refers to the buoyancy force generated from the submerged portion of the wood, which is approximately 15.28 lbs for my design. For simplicity in my question, let's assume that the ramp is rigid and will not move in response to the dog's movement. Basically, I will use the estimated "maximum load of the dog" to add to the ramp weight which will be my "F_w" variable. From here I can calculate the size of buoy needed to support the loaded ramp.

Hope this helps and let me know if you have any other questions!
 

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xshovelfighter said:
2) My second question is essentially the same as the first, except I am looking for an approximate physics explanation of how I could reasonably estimate this force.
If a very athletic dog could exert a force 2x his weight, wouldn't he have accelerated 1G. Quite a high-jump. I would guess around 1/5 to 1/10 his weight.
 
Thanks for the replies so far! Any additional input is appreciated!

Thanks
 
Can you time your dog climbing a stair? From a standstill how fast does he accelerate up ~3 steps. From and his weight you should be all set.
 

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