Force exerted by hand on a lever

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the force that an average person can exert on a lever, particularly in the context of practical applications such as using a torque wrench. Participants explore estimates of force, relevant ergonomic guidelines, and considerations for maximizing force application.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a reasonable estimate for force applied with one hand is around 60 pounds, potentially increasing to 100 pounds with both hands for short durations.
  • Another participant references ergonomic guidelines indicating that the upper limit for horizontal pushing or pulling should not exceed 225 N (50 lbf) in work situations.
  • A different participant discusses typical car wheel lugnut torques, providing a range of 90-160 foot pounds, translating to approximately 60-107 pounds of force when using an 18" breaker bar.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of considering body weight and safety when applying force, suggesting that using both arms or applying an impulse can increase the effective force.
  • One participant expresses appreciation for the holistic approach to engineering problems, indicating a preference for discussions that incorporate practical considerations alongside mathematical aspects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the estimates of force that can be applied, but there are varying perspectives on the factors that influence force application and the importance of safety considerations. The discussion remains open-ended without a definitive consensus on the exact force values.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific applications mentioned by participants, which could affect the estimates of force. Additionally, the discussion does not resolve the varying estimates and assumptions regarding force application techniques.

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Is there a generally accepted ball-park figure for the force a human can apply to a lever? Obviously, I am not thinking of an Olympic weight-lifter or of my three-year-old granddaughter - just the turning moment generated by the 'average' person standing up and pulling/pushing on an horizontal lever.
 
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I'd say a reasonable amount is 60 pounds force or so for 1 hand. Maybe 100 if you use both hands, for a short period of time. You could jerk it and momentarily get a lot more (think of trying to loosen a bolt, or pulling a nail out of a board.
 
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Google found..

https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/ergonomics/push1.html

What are the force limits for horizontal pushing and pulling?
The values in Table 1 show the upper limits of forces for horizontal pushing and pulling. These limits should not be exceeded in work situations.

Table 1 suggests someone pushing or pulling something like a truck or cart shouldn't exceed 225 N (50 lbf)
 
To back up the estimates by @scottdave I looked at typical car wheel lugnut torques, since we all need to be able to change our car tires by hand (or have a AAA card...).

http://www.hispecwheel.com/files/LugNutTorque.pdf

Depending on the size of the lugnut, they list 90-160 foot pounds, which for an 18" breaker bar is 60-107 pounds of force. :smile:
 
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Thanks, folks. berkeman hit the nail on the head. Using a torque wrench is almost exactly the situation I have in mind for this problem.

Thanks again to all for your prompt response.
 
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Vagulus said:
Thanks, folks. berkeman hit the nail on the head. Using a torque wrench is almost exactly the situation I have in mind for this problem.
Glad that all the responses helped.

Keep in mind that in Engineering, we look at the whole problem to figure out the best solution. You did not post your application (and if it is proprietary we will not pry), but the best overall solution often involves other considerations.

For example, you can get a higher force if you can use your body weight safely (no back stress issues). You can get a higher force if you can push-pull with your two arms. You can get a higher peak force as @scottdave said if you can apply an impulse to get things started, etc.
 
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berkeman said:
Keep in mind that in Engineering, we look at the whole problem to figure out the best solution.

Certainly, Engineering is holistic.

berkeman said:
You did not post your application (and if it is proprietary we will not pry), but the best overall solution often involves other considerations.

In this case, the application is almost exactly what the first post said - an average bloke pulling on a lever :smile:

berkeman said:
For example, you can get a higher force if you can use your body weight safely (no back stress issues).

I wholeheartedly agree. Safety is priority. :bow:

It is a delight to me that people in this forum take the holistic view rather than only the "pure mathematics" aspect. It's a special delight because I am working in engineering but suffering from very limited mathematical ability (teflon brain o0)). I look forward to future discussions.
 
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