Force of Pulled/Pushed Rod: What's the Difference?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the forces acting on a rod being pulled and pushed horizontally at a constant velocity, specifically focusing on the differences in required force in each scenario. The subject area includes dynamics and frictional forces.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the forces required in both scenarios but expresses confusion over the differing results. Some participants question the role of the normal force in relation to the applied force and how it affects friction.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the relationship between the applied force, normal force, and friction. Some guidance has been offered regarding the impact of pulling versus pushing on the normal force and friction, but there is no explicit consensus on the calculations or the underlying principles.

Contextual Notes

The original poster is working under the assumption that the frictional force is a function of the normal reaction force, which is influenced by the vertical component of the applied force. There is a noted discrepancy between the poster's calculations and the answer key provided.

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Rod is 1. pulled, 2. pushed horizontally. Force required to sustain constant vel.?

Homework Statement


There are 2 scenarios.

1. A rod of mass 5kg is first pulled at constant velocity by a force at 45° to the horizontal.
2. Then the same rod is pushed at constant velocity by a force at 45° to the horizontal.

Assuming that in both cases the frictional force is horizontal and equal to 0.4 times the normal reaction force on the rod, find the force F in each case.

Why is the force different in 1 and 2? (Especially important to me, because I don't understand why it should be different)


Homework Equations


weight = mass x gravity
normal reaction force N = cos(x) x weight
friction force f = 0.4 x N
f = x-component of F. therefore.. F = f/ cos (x)


The Attempt at a Solution


In scenario 1:
I found the weight to be 50N.
Then the reaction force must be cos (45) x 50N = 35N.
Thus the friction must be 0.4 x 35 N = 14 N
Thus F = 14 / cos (45) =19.71 N

This answer is wrong (F = 20.2 N according to answer key) and I don't understand why.

In scenario 2, I don't know why it makes a difference if the rod is pushed or pulled. I again i get F = 19.71 N, even though the answer is supposed to be F = 47.1 N

Thank you for your support!
 
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Basically what you forgot, the friction depends on the normal force, but the normal force is not only the gravitational force.
It also depends on the vertical component of your applied force.
Thats also where the difference will come from, if you pull the normal force will decrease so will the friction, if you push the normal force will increase and so will the friction.
 


thank you. that helped.
 


no problem ;)
 

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