Force Required to move heavy pendulum

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force required to move a 300lb pendulum (specifically a heavy punch bag) to an angle of 90 degrees. Participants explore concepts related to force, energy, and momentum, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of the problem.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests calculating the force at 90 degrees, implying that there may not be a need for complex calculations unless considering a punch, which would involve impulse or energy.
  • Another participant questions how to calculate the energy involved if a 135lb man were to throw himself at the pendulum, suggesting a focus on kinetic energy transfer.
  • A participant notes that gravitational potential energy can be calculated if the height at 90 degrees is known, linking it to kinetic energy and momentum changes.
  • Equations for potential energy (mgh) and kinetic energy (1/2mv^2) are presented, indicating a relationship between kinetic and potential energy in the context of the pendulum's motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying approaches to the problem, with some focusing on energy calculations and others on force and impulse. There is no consensus on a single method or solution, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined the assumptions regarding the height of the pendulum or the specifics of the punch, which may affect the calculations. The discussion also lacks clarity on the time duration over which the force acts.

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Hello,

In an attempt to end a very long and cringe-worthy debate I would like to ask this question.

How could one calculate how much force is required to move a 300lb pendulum(a heavy punch bag) to an angle of 90 degrees?

I have vague notions of how it could be done, but I certainly couldn't come up with a solid answer. I assume moments, angular velocity and impulse would come into it, but to be honest, I'm floundering.

Please, put a poor man out of his misery.

Thanks in advance,
Curly
 
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Just calculate the force at 90 degrees. Hint: there is nothing to actually calculate.

...unless you are talking about a punch, in which case it isn't about force but impulse or energy.
 
russ_watters said:
Just calculate the force at 90 degrees. Hint: there is nothing to actually calculate.

...unless you are talking about a punch, in which case it isn't about force but impulse or energy.

I see, how would one go about calculating the energy?

If a 135lb man were to throw himself at the pendulum, and pretending that the man transferred all his kinetic energy into the bag, how would it be calculated?
 
The question is a bit too open, I think. You could always just lift it - but I guess that's not what you want.
Gravitational Potential Energy is easy to calculate if you know how high it will be when at 90o.
The kinetic energy after the 'punch' would have to be the same value, for it to get that high.
That will tell you the speed it needs to start its climb at and this will tell you the change in its momentum, which is the value of the impulse you need to give it (impulse is change in momentum and is force times the time the force acts).
 
Potential energy is mgh
Kinetic energy is 1/2mv^2

So if you want to start with all kinetic and end with all potential, you get mgh=1/2mv^2
 

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