Forced Oscillations - Why Amplitude Reaches Fixed Value at Zero Frequency?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of forced oscillations, specifically why the amplitude of an oscillator reaches a fixed value at zero driving frequency while it approaches zero at very high frequencies. Participants explore the implications of static versus dynamic conditions in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the amplitude of the oscillator has a value (Fo/k) at zero frequency, suggesting a need for clarification on the relationship between frequency and amplitude.
  • Another participant asserts that a frequency of zero equates to a static scenario, where a force is applied to the spring, causing it to stretch without dynamic oscillation.
  • It is proposed that at high frequencies, the amplitude is influenced by acceleration, approximating to F/(mω²) under certain assumptions.
  • A follow-up post reiterates the static nature of the system at the moment the signal generator is turned on, suggesting that the amplitude corresponds to the force applied before the oscillator completes a cycle.
  • One participant discusses the practical limitations of setting a frequency to zero, noting that very low frequencies can be treated similarly to static loads, where inertia forces can be neglected due to minimal acceleration.
  • Another point raised indicates that while a sinusoidal force becomes zero at zero frequency, a cosine force represents a constant force, which can lead to fixed amplitude scenarios.
  • It is noted that if an object is completely free, the displacements could become infinitely large as frequency approaches zero, due to prolonged application of force in one direction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of zero frequency and its relationship to static and dynamic conditions. The discussion includes multiple competing perspectives, and no consensus is reached regarding the interpretation of amplitude behavior at zero frequency.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the nature of forces applied, the treatment of inertia at low frequencies, and the conditions under which static versus dynamic analysis is appropriate. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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Hi, why is it that as the frequency of the driver decreases below the natural frequency of the oscillator it reaches a fixed amplitude when the external frequency is zero whereas whenever you go to the other extreme and have a very high external frequency the amplitude of the oscillator approaches zero? The graph that displays this information shows that the amplitude of the oscillator has a value (Fo/k) when the driving frequency is zero (i.e. the graph doesn't go through the origin). How can you have an amplitude at zero frequency? Thanks for any help given!
 
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A frequency of zero is the same as doing statics, not dynamics. You apply a force to the spring and it stretches.

At high frequencies, the acceleration is approximately constant. From Newton's second law and ignoring the stiffness of the spring, the acceleration is close to ##F/m## so the amplitude is approximately ##F/(m\omega^2)##.
 
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AlephZero said:
A frequency of zero is the same as doing statics, not dynamics. You apply a force to the spring and it stretches.

At high frequencies, the acceleration is approximately constant. From Newton's second law and ignoring the stiffness of the spring, the acceleration is close to ##F/m## so the amplitude is approximately ##F/(m\omega^2)##.

Thanks AlephZero. So are you saying that at the instantaneous moment you turn the signal generator on, you don't have a frequency but you still have a force therefore you are dealing with a static case at that instant so therefore the mass on the spring will get an amplitude equal to that of the vibrator? In other words are you saying that you are dealing with a case before the vibrator has completed one cycle?
 
Well, in real life you probably can't set the vibrator to "zero" frequency. But you can imagine that if the frequency is very low compared with the natural vibration frequencies of the object (e.g. one cycle per hour or whatever), you can ignore the inertia forces (i.e. mass x acceleration) because the acceleration is very small. So this is the same as applying a "static" load that slowly increases and decreases, and measuring the static deflections it produces (and the deflections are proportional to the load, of course).

The math still makes sense if the frequency is zero. A force ##F_0 \sin \omega t## is always ##0## if ##\omega = 0##, but a force ##F_0 \cos \omega t## is a constant force ##F_0##.

Note, this only makes sense for a structure that is constrained in some way. If the object is completely free (e.g. floating weightless in space) the displacements will become to "infinitely large" as the frequency goes to zero, because you are applying a force in one direction for a long time and that will move the object a large distance.
 

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