Formulating Supergravity Under De Sitter Group: A Comprehensive Reference

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The discussion revolves around formulating supergravity under the De Sitter group, with participants seeking references and clarifications on the topic. The scope includes theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and potential references for further study.

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  • One participant requests references for studying supergravity under the De Sitter group.
  • Another participant suggests that understanding the level of education and prior coursework in physics may help tailor responses.
  • There is a discussion about the conditions under which supergravity allows for de Sitter vacua, specifically mentioning the need for vacuum expectation values (vevs).
  • Participants explore the concept of contracting from De Sitter to Poincaré, mentioning the Inönü-Wigner contraction and the implications of sending the radius of curvature to infinity.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the suitability of certain textbooks for beginners in supergravity, while recommending various resources, including Freedman's book and Van Proeyen's notes.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for more context in questions to facilitate meaningful responses, pointing out that "contraction" can have multiple interpretations.
  • There is mention of the problematic relationship between de Sitter space and supergravity, with a participant noting their lack of experience with AdS backgrounds.
  • Another participant provides a technical explanation of how the contraction in the algebra leads to the Poincaré algebra, highlighting the role of the radius of curvature in the commutation relations.

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Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the topic and different preferences for resources. There is no consensus on the best approach to understanding the contraction from De Sitter to Poincaré or the implications of supergravity in this context, indicating ongoing debate and exploration.

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Some participants mention specific textbooks and notes, but there is no agreement on which resources are most appropriate for beginners. The discussion includes technical details that may depend on the participants' backgrounds and understanding of supergravity.

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Dear all
I am studying formulating supergravity under De Sitter group can anyone suggest me a reference
Thank you
 
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I don't have a direct answer for a book, but for those here that may it would help a lot if you told us your level of education. Are you an undergrad or a graduate student in Physics?

What other physics/math courses have you taken related to Supergravity?

Lastly, you might find some references to investigate at the end of this wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergravity

in particular this book on Supergravity by Freedman:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521194016/?tag=pfamazon01-20

you can check its table of contents to see if it has what you're looking for.
 
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You mean the fact that supergravity doesnt' allow for dS-vacua unless you turn on vevs?
 
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haushofer said:
You mean the fact that supergravity doesnt' allow for dS-vacua unless you turn on vevs?
i just want tto know how can i contract from de sitter to poincare
 
jedishrfu said:
I don't have a direct answer for a book, but for those here that may it would help a lot if you told us your level of education. Are you an undergrad or a graduate student in Physics?

What other physics/math courses have you taken related to Supergravity?

Lastly, you might find some references to investigate at the end of this wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergravity

in particular this book on Supergravity by Freedman:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521194016/?tag=pfamazon01-20

you can check its table of contents to see if it has what you're looking for.
Hello
I took a course on supersymmetry and supergravity in addition to a graduate course on mathematical physics.
 
shereen1 said:
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i just want tto know how can i contract from de sitter to poincare
You mean a Inönü-Wigner contraction in the underlying algebra? You take the radius of curvature R and send it to infinity, R --> oo. I'm not sure if you also can do this contraction straight away in the transformation rules and the curvatures; one has to be careful with this, but you can check that immediately for yourself.

You are aware of the 'problematic' relation between deSitter and SUGRA? E.g., have you tried (and failed :P ) to write down pure D=4,N=1 SUGRA on an AdS background?
 
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jedishrfu said:
in particular this book on Supergravity by Freedman:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521194016/?tag=pfamazon01-20

you can check its table of contents to see if it has what you're looking for.
Yes, that book is great. Van Proeyen also has a lot of online notes, on which this book is based.
 
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Shereen1, if you want serious answers with content here you should formule questions with content; at least some background. I responded to your question about torsion in SUGRA earlier, but it's not very stimulating if you don't reply to your questions or give no context. 'Contraction" can mean a lot of things. And what kind of SUGRA are you studying? What references did you find so far? Which textbook? Etc.
 
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haushofer said:
Shereen1, if you want serious answers with content here you should formule questions with content; at least some background. I responded to your question about torsion in SUGRA earlier, but it's not very stimulating if you don't reply to your questions or give no context. 'Contraction" can mean a lot of things. And what kind of SUGRA are you studying? What references did you find so far? Which textbook? Etc.
Dear Haushofer
In fact i am using notes written by my professor. In addition to P. van Nieuwenhuizen book (Supergravity).
I will have a look on Freedman and Van Proyen book
Thank you
 
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haushofer said:
You mean a Inönü-Wigner contraction in the underlying algebra? You take the radius of curvature R and send it to infinity, R --> oo. I'm not sure if you also can do this contraction straight away in the transformation rules and the curvatures; one has to be careful with this, but you can check that immediately for yourself.

You are aware of the 'problematic' relation between deSitter and SUGRA? E.g., have you tried (and failed :P ) to write down pure D=4,N=1 SUGRA on an AdS background?
I will start doing the contraction. In fact i didnt start yet dealing with AdS Backgrounds.
 
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Ok. I'm not sure how well-suited Van Nieuwenhuizen's book is for a first exposure, but that's up to you to decide :P I really like Henning Samtleben's notes; they are (afaik) by far the most approachable first exposure to SUGRA you can think of.

The contraction in the algebra is quite easy; if you rewrite the (A)dS algebra in terms of translations P and Lorentz transformations M, then schematically, the radius of curvature R appears in the commutator

<br /> [P_a, P_b ] \sim \pm\frac{1}{R^2} M_{ab}<br />

where the plus/minus depends on your convention, giving dS or AdS. Sending R to infinity simply gives

<br /> [P_a,P_b ] = 0<br />

which is the well-known result of the Poincare algebra that translations commute because spacetime is flat.
 
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