Forward difference operator [SOLVED] Forward difference operator

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The discussion revolves around the forward difference operator, specifically its representation as an infinite series involving derivatives. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the derivation of the series representation from a Wikipedia source.

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  • Participants explore applying the forward difference operator to functions and attempt to derive the series representation through Taylor series expansions. Questions arise about the validity of their expansions and the relationships between terms.

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[SOLVED] Forward difference operator

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I was looking on Wikipedia and noticed that it said that [tex]\Delta_h[/tex] could be written as

[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> \Delta_h &= \sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{(hD)^n}{n!}\\<br /> &= e^{hD} - 1<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

where [tex]D[/tex] is just the standard derivative. What I don't understand is how they came up with the infinite series.

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Try applying it to a function.
 
Ok, so I tried going at it this way:

[tex] \begin{align}<br /> f(x+h) &= f(h) + (x+h)Df(h)+ \dfrac{(x+h)^2 D^2 f(h)}{2!} + \cdots\\<br /> f(x) &= f(0) + xDf(0) + \dfrac{x^2 D^2 f(0)}{2!} + \cdots<br /> \end{align}[/tex]

However, when I try subtracting (2) from (1), the terms don't cancel out because (1) is in terms of [tex]f(h)[/tex] and (2) is in terms of [tex]f(0)[/tex]. What should I do?
 
Trying to express [itex]\Delta_h f(x)[/itex] in terms of [itex]\Delta_h f(0)[/itex] seems like an odd thing to do; I'm sure there's an interesting result to be derived, but I don't see why it would relate to the question you're trying to solve.

Incidentally, your Taylor series in (1) is incorrect.
 
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Hurkyl said:
Trying to express [itex]\Delta_h f(x)[/itex] in terms of f(0) and f(h) seems like an odd thing to do...

I was using the tailor series expansion. Do you have any other ideas?
 
I've added more to my previous post.

I don't have any new ideas; what's wrong with the one I already gave?
 
foxjwill said:
Ok, so I tried going at it this way:

[tex] \begin{align}<br /> f(x+h) &= f(h) + (x+h)Df(h)+ \dfrac{(x+h)^2 D^2 f(h)}{2!} + \cdots\\<br /> f(x) &= f(0) + xDf(0) + \dfrac{x^2 D^2 f(0)}{2!} + \cdots<br /> \end{align}[/tex]

However, when I try subtracting (2) from (1), the terms don't cancel out because (1) is in terms of [tex]f(h)[/tex] and (2) is in terms of [tex]f(0)[/tex]. What should I do?

As Hurkyl said, the Taylor series expansion for the first one is wrong.

The Taylor series for f(x), expanded around x= a, is
[tex]f(a)+ f'(a)(x-a)+ f"(a)/2 (x-a)^2+ /cdot/cdot/cdot+ f^{(n)}(a)(x- a)^n+ \cdot\cdot\cdot[/tex]
If you are expanding f(x+h) about x= h, then it would be
[tex]f(h)+ f'(a)((x+h)-h)+ f"(h)/2 ((x+h)-h)^2+ /cdot/cdot/cdot+ f^{(n)}(h)((x+h)- h)^n+ /dot/cdot/cdot[/tex]
[tex]= [tex]f(h)+ f'(a)(x)+ f"(a)/2 x^2+ /cdot/cdot/cdot+ f^{(n)}(h)x^n\cdot\cdot\cdot[/tex]<br /> <br /> If you are expanding f(x+h) about x= 0, then it would be<br /> [tex]f(0+ f'(0)(x+h)+ f"(0)/2 (x+y)^2+ /cdot/cdot/cdot+ f^{(n)}(0)(x+y)^n+ \cdot\cdot\cdot[/tex][/tex]
 
What's the wikipedia url for that result? :confused:
 
Ok, so I fixed your [tex]\LaTeX[/tex]:

HallsofIvy said:
As Hurkyl said, the Taylor series expansion for the first one is wrong.

The Taylor series for f(x), expanded around x= a, is

[tex]f(a) + f'(a)(x-a) + \frac{f''(a)}{2}(x-a)^2 + \cdots + f^{(n)}(a)(x-a)^n + \cdots[/tex]

If you are expanding f(x+h) about x= h, then it would be

[tex]f(h) + f'(a)((x+h)-h) + \frac{f''(h)}{2} ((x+h)-h)^2 + \cdots + f^{(n)}(h) ((x+h)-h)^n + \cdots[/tex]

[tex]= f(h) + f'(a)(x) + \frac{f''(a)}{2} x^2 + \cdots + f^{(n)}(h) x^n + \cdots[/tex]

If you are expanding f(x+h) about x= 0, then it would be

[tex]f(0) + f'(0)(x+h) + \frac{f''(0)}{2}(x+y)^2 + \cdots + f^{(n)}(0)(x+y)^n + \cdots[/tex]

[tex]f(a) + f'(a)(x-a) + \frac{f''(a)}{2}(x-a)^2 + \cdots + f^{(n)}(a)(x-a)^n + \cdots[/tex]

I'm not really sure how you got the expansions to be those. Could you explain?
 
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[tex]\Delta_h(f(x))=f(x+h)-f(x)\Rightarrow \Delta_h(f(x))=\left(T_h-I\right)\,f(x)\quad \text{with} \quad T_h f(x)=f(x+h)[/tex]

Expanding [itex]f(x+h)[/itex] around [itex]\alpha=h[/itex] we have

[tex]f(x+h)=f(h)+\frac{1}{1!}\,f'(h)\,x+\frac{1}{2!}\,f''(h)\,x^2+\dots+\frac{1}{n!}\,f^{(n)}(h)\,x^n+\dots\Rightarrow f(x+h)=\sum_{n=0}^\infty\frac{x^n}{n!}\,f^{(n)}(h)\Rightarrow f(x+h)=\sum_{n=0}^\infty\frac{h^n}{n!}\,f^{(n)}(x)[/tex]

where at the last equality I changed the roles of [itex]x,\,h[/itex] since they are just labels. This equality can be written as

[tex]f(x+h)=\left(\sum_{n=0}^\infty\frac{(h\,D)^n}{n!}\right)\,f(x)[/tex]

and from here you have the desired result.
 

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