Fourier series - DC component, integration problem

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the Fourier series representation of a piecewise function defined as f(t) = -t for -π < t < 0 and f(t) = 0 for 0 < t < π, with a period of T = 2π. Participants are specifically focused on calculating the DC component, a₀.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the DC component a₀, with one noting a discrepancy between their result (π/2) and the expected answer (π/4). There is exploration of whether changing the interval of integration affects the result and questions about the validity of their approaches.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the inconsistency of formulas for a₀ across different textbooks, noting that the constant term may be represented differently. There is ongoing clarification regarding the correct application of the integration limits and the implications of using different intervals.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the need to adhere to the original function's definition and the importance of consistent application of formulas, while also recognizing the potential for confusion stemming from differing conventions in textbooks.

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Homework Statement



Find the Fourier series representation of:

f(t)={-t , -∏<t<0
f(t)={0 , 0<t<∏

This is a piecewise function.

T=2∏ (the period)

Homework Equations



a_{0}=\frac{2}{T}*\int_0^T f(t),dt


The Attempt at a Solution



I need help only with calculating the DC component. Once I get that working, I can continue on my own. Tried multiple times, I keep getting pi/2.

The correct answer should be pi/4.

This is my graph:
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Is this graph correct?

I consider the area of the function from -pi to 0 identical if I change it from:

f(t)=-t -∏<t<0

to

f(t)=t 0<t<∏

Is this permitted? Surely it's the same result. Seems alright to me

a_{0}=\frac{2}{2\pi}*\int_0^∏ -t,dt

a_{0}=\frac{1}{\pi}*(\frac{\pi^2}{2}-0)

a_{0}=\frac{\pi}{2}

And the book says it should be pi/4.

What am I doing wrong? Is my graph correct? Is my integration correct? Is the book's solution wrong?
 
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I think I figured it out... my a0 seems correct to be ∏/2,

but when I type out the actual Fourier series, the formula is:

a0/2, making it ∏/4.

If anybody wants to confirm my thinking, that would be helpful!
 
Textbooks are not consistent on the formula for ##a_0## because some formulas assume the constant term in the series is ##a_0## and some use ##\frac {a_0} 2##, which causes the formula for ##a_0## to differ by ##2##. As long as you are consistent, you should be OK. But there is no need to go to a different interval than that where the function is given. If the constant term of the series is ##a_0## and the period is ##2p## then$$
a_0 = \frac 1 {2p}\int_{-p}^p f(t)\, dt = \frac 1 {2\pi}\left(\int_{-\pi}^0 -t\, dt
+\int_{-\pi}^0 0\, dt\right) = \frac \pi 4$$
 
Thank you for helping me with this!

I think perhaps an error has snuck into your maths though, because you write:

a_{0}=\frac{1}{2p}...=\frac{1}{2\pi}...

But p=2∏, so it should be a_{0}=\frac{1}{4\pi} using your formula.

Can you comment on this?

I understand how there are different formulas though, as you say, when I created the question I hadn't realized that I had to divide it by 2 again, but when I did I wanted somebody to confirm my logic.

I also understand, of course, that I don't have to tinker with the range and function, but that saved me having to deal with negative values etc, I should stick with the actual function though, I have to be at a level where that kind of thing doesn't phase me.
 
LCKurtz said:
. If the constant term of the series is ##a_0## and the period is ##2p## then$$
a_0 = \frac 1 {2p}\int_{-p}^p f(t)\, dt = \frac 1 {2\pi}\left(\int_{-\pi}^0 -t\, dt
+\int_{-\pi}^0 0\, dt\right) = \frac \pi 4$$

DrOnline said:
Thank you for helping me with this!

I think perhaps an error has snuck into your maths though, because you write:

a_{0}=\frac{1}{2p}...=\frac{1}{2\pi}...

But p=2∏, so it should be a_{0}=\frac{1}{4\pi} using your formula.

Can you comment on this?

No, I said the period was ##2p## so ##p=\pi## in your case. And when you do the integral you will have a ##t^2## in the numerator with a limit of ##-\pi## which will give a ##\pi^2## in the numerator.
 
Yes of course, I was too quick in reading there, thanks again!
 

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