Free body diagram of atwood machine

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The discussion revolves around analyzing the forces acting on a modified Atwood machine, specifically focusing on the forces related to the masses and the spring involved in the system.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on different masses in the system, including gravitational forces and spring forces. There is an exploration of whether the original poster's understanding of the forces is correct, particularly regarding the mass above the spring.

Discussion Status

Some participants confirm the original poster's initial thoughts about the forces, while others provide corrections and clarifications regarding the number and nature of the forces acting on the masses. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to refine understanding without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

There is an indication that the presence of the spring complicates the analysis of forces, and participants are actively questioning the assumptions made about the forces involved.

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Homework Statement



I need to find the forces on this modified atwood machine:

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The Attempt at a Solution



What I think:

- On mass M there are two forces, Mg and -T.
- On the mass above the spring there are two more forces, -2mg and T.
- On the mass below the spring there are also two forces, -mg and kx.

Is any of this correct?
 
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You seem to have got it right.
 
Thanks.
 
Shukie said:
- On the mass above the spring there are two more forces, -2mg and T.
Careful: The only force of gravity on that mass is mg. (But there's a spring force on it.) So there are three forces acting on that mass.
 
Doc Al said:
Careful: The only force of gravity on that mass is mg. (But there's a spring force on it.) So there are three forces acting on that mass.

Ooh, you're right, I was thinking there might be a 2mg plus a kx after you mentioned the spring force, but I think it's only mg and kx.

I knew the spring was going to make it trickier than I had thought.
 
Are the forces on the mass above the spring then T and -mg and - kx?
 
Shukie said:
Are the forces on the mass above the spring then T and -mg and - kx?
Yes.
 
Thanks
 

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