Free Electrons in Conductors: Random Motion and Energy Loss

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of free electrons in conductors, particularly focusing on their random motion, energy loss, and the effects of external fields on their movement. Participants explore concepts related to electron conduction, energy transfer, and the nature of collisions among electrons.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that free electrons in a conductor move randomly until influenced by an external field, questioning whether they lose energy during this random motion.
  • Another participant claims that collisions between delocalized electrons are completely elastic, implying that kinetic energy is effectively transferred without loss, although they express uncertainty about their correctness.
  • A participant inquires whether an electron's energy decreases during interactions, seeking clarification on energy levels and transfers.
  • There is a request for an explanation of how electrons move in conductors and how forces from a voltage source are transmitted, with a specific mention of photons.
  • One participant explains that electrons drift with the local electric field, noting that this can occur in both static and dynamic conditions, including induction from a varying magnetic field.
  • Another participant questions how energy is transmitted from the electric field and whether free electrons lose energy in the absence of an external field.
  • A participant discusses the relationship between kinetic energy, temperature, and the average speed of electrons, mentioning the Boltzmann constant and expressing uncertainty about their understanding.
  • One participant suggests starting with a classical explanation of charge transport, providing a link to additional resources, while also addressing forum posting guidelines.
  • A later reply reiterates the question about energy loss in random motion, referencing an earlier response in the thread.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the energy dynamics of free electrons, with some proposing that energy is conserved during collisions while others question the energy loss in random motion. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on the nature of energy loss or transfer among free electrons.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about electron behavior, the definitions of energy transfer, and the conditions under which energy loss may occur. Some mathematical relationships mentioned are not fully explored or verified within the thread.

Karthikeyan
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Hi,
I believe that the free electrons in a piece of a conductor move randomnly until they are oriented in one particular direction by some external field. Does free electrons lose energy in this random motion??:confused:
 
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All collisions between the delocalised electrons are completely elastic, meaning all kinetic energy they have is transferred to neighbouring electrons when they move close (due to magnetic repulsion), this process is 100% effective unlike day to day mechanical processes.

EDIT: I'm new here so my answer may not be right though
 
Let me say, I've a free electron 'X' at energy level E1 wandering inside the conductor. When u say the energy is transferred, do u mean the electron 'X' will come down to a lower energy than E1??
 
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Hi all,
Can anyone please give a brief explanation on movement of electrons in conductors?? How the force is transmitted from the voltage source..interms of what?? Photons?
 
Electrons 'flow'/'drift' with the local potential difference or electric field. It could be static (DC) or dynamic (AC) and it could be induced by a time varying magnetic field (induction).
 
I mean how does the energy get transmitted from electric field?? Free electrons are already present in metals wandering here and there, right?? By applying some field the direction of motion is oriented. I am asking how this force orients the electrons?? Also, does free electrons lose any energy in their random motion in the absence of any external field??
 
A lower kinetic energy yeah, but try not to confuse it with electical charge (1.6*10^-19 C), electrons constantly move about the conductor freely, this is reffered to as "Delocalised" electrons, their kinetic energy or delocalisation is usually based off the temperature of the substance.

Now I'm pretty poo on the physics front but there is a way of finding out the energy, let someone better correct me but i believe the kinetic energy of the electron (average) is Boltzmann constant * temperature, i stress AVERAGE because some electrons can have a lot of energy and some can't since it's pretty dynamic and repulsions between electrons happen pretty often.

For figureing out the "AVERAGE" speed of the electron i believe you can just use E = KT (average energy) and E=1/2*M*V^2 (reaarange this). But beats me :(
 
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Maybe you should start with the simplest explanation of charge transport using the classical picture, which, from the tone of your question, is what you are asking for.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/ohmmic.html

Zz.

Edit: You have posted an almost-identical thread in two different forums. Please pay attention to the PF Guidelines that you have explicitly agreed to. Multiple posting is strictly not allowed. The two threads have been merged, and if the outcome makes no sense, it isn't my fault.
 
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Karthikeyan said:
Also, does free electrons lose any energy in their random motion in the absence of any external field??
This question was answered in post #2.
 

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