Freefall of an object in Space (towards earth)

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the final velocity of an object in freefall towards Earth, specifically as it enters the atmosphere. Participants are examining the methodology and values used in the calculations, including gravitational constants and initial conditions.

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  • One participant claims to have calculated the final velocity as 695 m/s, while suggesting their professor arrived at a different value of approximately 435 m/s.
  • Another participant questions the values used for gravitational constant (G) and Earth's mass (M), implying that both the original poster and the professor may have made errors.
  • A participant points out that the calculation method used seems to be for an object falling from a specific altitude rather than from infinity, suggesting that the context of "free-fall" is not accurately represented.
  • There is a mention that the difference in gravitational force at the two altitudes considered may be negligible, which could simplify the calculations.
  • The original poster expresses confusion about the professor's method, noting that the object is indeed moving towards Earth from a specified distance.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the correct final velocity or the appropriateness of the methods used. Multiple competing views regarding the calculations and assumptions remain present.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the initial conditions and the specific context of the freefall problem, including the assumptions made about the starting altitude and the effects of air resistance.

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Hi guys,

My professor showed us in class how to find the final velocity of an object as it hits the the atmosphere of earth(Rf=6.37e6) and I think he might have made a mistake. I have been trying to solve the same problem but I get different answer than the one my professor showed in class.
The Ri=6.37e6 + 10^5. Vi=0.

The way I solved it - 1/2mvf^2 −GmM/Rf=−GmM/Ri (I canceled out the m)
My answer is 695 m/s.

It seems like my professor didn't cancel out the first m and he got 435 or something around that number.
I wonder if there is a reason why he didn't cancel the first m, or rather he just forgot to do so.

Thank you so much!
 
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You might want to check your values for "G" and for "M." If your prof came up with 435, you've both missed something.
 
My answer is 695, not 435. I think my professor canceled out the m from the right side but didn't from the left side of the equation.
the G = 6.67e-11
M = 5.98e24
m= 10 kg - but we canceled it out anyway so it doesn't matter.
 
LiorSh said:
the final velocity of an object as it hits the the atmosphere of earth

Hits the atmosphere of the Earth starting from where? "Free-fall" makes it sound like the object is falling in from infinity, but your calculation doesn't make sense for that problem. The formula you're using looks like you're trying to calculate the speed of an object dropped from the top of the atmosphere to the surface of the Earth (if there were no air resistance), and in that case Bystander is right - neither your 695 m/sec nor the professor's 435 m/sec is close.

As an aside: The difference between ##(6.37\times{10}^6)^2## and ##(6.37\times{10}^6+1\times{10}^5)^2## is so small as to be irrelevant (especially with only one significant digit in the atmospheric thickness) that you can save yourself some work and take the gravitational force to be the same at both altitudes.
 
I see what you did there, I have no idea why the professor solved it this way then. that's how he showed in class. the the object is moving towards Earth from that distance and we need to figure out what would be the speed when Rf= 6.37e6 meters. (starting from the Ri=6.37e6+10^5).
 

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