Frequency for Vibration Modes of a Square Membrane

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of vibration frequencies for modes of a square membrane, specifically addressing how to derive frequencies for combinations of modes such as (2,1) and (1,2). The scope includes theoretical aspects of vibrational modes in both square and rectangular plates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an equation for the frequency of modes of a square membrane, suggesting it can be used to calculate frequencies for specific modes.
  • Another participant asserts that for a square plate, the frequencies for modes (2,1) and (1,2) are identical, and that combinations of these modes also yield the same frequency.
  • A different viewpoint is introduced regarding rectangular plates, where the frequencies for modes (2,1) and (1,2) differ, and combinations of these modes do not exist.
  • One participant seeks clarification on the concept of linear combinations of frequencies, proposing a formula involving constants to express combined modes.
  • Another participant reiterates that in a square plate, since the frequencies for (2,1) and (1,2) are equal, combinations of these modes will also result in the same frequency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and nature of combined modes in square versus rectangular plates, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of mode combinations in different geometries.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the equality of dimensions in square plates versus rectangular plates, which may affect the validity of the claims made about mode frequencies and combinations.

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So the equation to obtain the frequency of the modes of a square membrane is something like

ω m,n = ∏ [(m/a)^2 + (n/b)^2]^(1/2)

This equation can be used to get the frequency for Modes such as (2,1) and (1,2). How do I get the frequency for such modes as (2,1)+(1,2) and (2,1)-(1,2) ? Picture attached shows the modes.
 

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If it is a square plate, the frequencies for (2,1) and (1,2) are the same, and the others in your picture are linear combinations of them, also at the same frequency.

For a rectangular plate with ##a \ne b##, the (2,1) and (1,2) frequencies are different and the "(2,1)+(1,2) and (2,1)-(1,2) modes" don't exist.
 
Let's say that the frequency for (2,1) = x and (1,2) = y , so by linear combination, do you mean something like a x + b y = z where a and b are constants? And z would be the frequency for (2+1)+(1,2) or (2-1)-(1,2) ?
 
Johnny122 said:
Let's say that the frequency for (2,1) = x and (1,2) = y

It's a square plate, so a = b in your formula for the frequencies. So x = y.

In any structure that has two (or more) modes with the same frequency, and combination of the modes is also a "mode" with the same frequency.
 

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