Frequency of small oscillations about equilibrium point.

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The discussion revolves around a particle of mass m moving in one dimension under a specific potential function, V(x)=(-12/x)+(x^-12). Participants are tasked with finding the equilibrium point and the frequency of small oscillations about that point.

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  • The original poster attempts to find the equilibrium point using the derivative of the potential function and expresses confusion regarding the subsequent steps to determine the frequency of small oscillations. Some participants suggest that a parabolic approximation of the potential function at the equilibrium point is necessary, while others question the reasoning behind fitting a parabola and how it relates to finding the oscillation frequency.

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Participants are exploring various interpretations of how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the use of a parabolic approximation for small oscillations. Some guidance has been provided on matching derivatives to find the appropriate parabola, but there remains uncertainty among participants about the underlying concepts and the application of this method.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the fitting of the parabola and its implications for determining the frequency of oscillations. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and uncertainty about the mathematical relationships involved.

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A particle of mass m moves in one dimension subject to the potential:
V(x)=(-12/x)+(x^-12)
Find the equilibrium point and the frequency of small oscillations about that point.



I think I've found the equilibrium point 'a', but using the formula V'(a)=0, and i got the answer a=1.


However, I am completely stuck on finding the frequency, I've found the Lagrangian and hence the equation of motion, but then don't know what to do.

any help much appreciated! :)
 
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Ok, you don't need the equations of motion to find the frequency of small oscillations.

Here's what you need to do:

At x=1, there's a stable equilibrium. For very small oscillations, it will approximate a SHO. So all you need to do is fit a parabola to that point by:

1. Putting the equilibrium point of the parabola at the (x=1, y=?) point.
2. Making the first derivative of the parabola equal the derivative at the point (of course, this has already been done for you by using a parabola).
3. Making the second derivative match the second derivative of your potential function there.

So what's the equation of a parabola?

y = ax^2 + bx + c
y' = 2ax + b
y'' = 2a

So all you need to do is to make sure that y(1) = V(1), y'(1) = V'(1), and y''(1) = V''(1).

Then simply realize that F = -kx by Hooke's law, and that F = -y'. So whatever the coefficient on the 'x' term in your y' happens to be, that equals k. From that and the mass m, it should a straightforward exercise to find everything else you could want.
 
ive managed to work out what you've said but i don't understand why?
 
sorry,
i don't understand why you need to fit the parabola at that point, and i don't really get how you do it, do you equate the V's and y's to find the values of a, b and c? and how does this help?
and i don't see how to use the info to find the oscillations :(
 
forget it! I've figured it out! temporary blank.

thanks very much for your help.
 
The idea is that for small displacements from a stable equilibrium, all oscillations look like simple harmonic oscillations.

Simple harmonic oscillations are described by a parabolic potential well.

So by finding the parabola which best approximates your potential function V at the point of stable equilibrium, you will find the SHO potential which best approximates the oscillatory behavior near the equilibrium.

To find the best-fit parabola at your point, you have to make it match your V in its zeroth, first, and second derivatives; you have to find the 2nd order Taylor polynomial for the potential function V expanded around the point of equilibrium.

The system of equations I suggested fits the parabola.

Once you have the parabola for the SHO, it's easy to use Hooke's law to find k, and once you have k and m, you can easily find everything else.
 

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