Frequently Made Errors in Mechanics - Springs - Comments

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The discussion revolves around common mistakes made in mechanics related to springs, as highlighted in a PF Insights post. Participants share their experiences with tutoring and correcting errors, while also addressing specific technical aspects of spring constants and tensions.

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  • One participant notes that tutoring freshman physics has revealed similar errors to those discussed in the PF Insights post, emphasizing the importance of identifying these mistakes for improving understanding.
  • Another participant comments on the quality of the PF Insights entries, suggesting a desire to compile them for easier access.
  • A participant points out a potential typo in the mathematical expressions related to spring constants and tensions, proposing an alternative formulation for the overall spring constant.

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There is no clear consensus on the mathematical claims regarding the overall spring constant, as one participant suggests a correction to the existing expressions, indicating a potential disagreement on the accuracy of the original content.

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The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the relationships between tensions and spring constants, which may affect the interpretations of the claims made.

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Students and educators in physics, particularly those involved in mechanics and spring-related problems, may find this discussion relevant for understanding common errors and clarifying concepts.

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Frequently Made Errors in Mechanics - Springs

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That was a good write up. I've been tutoring a bit of freshman level physics this last year (during my sophomore year), and I've had to correct some similar errors that people were making. It was made more difficult because these students had not yet completed any E&M, so I was unable to use the analogy of adding resistors in series and parallel. I've found that identifying and helping people with these frequently made errors has really improved my own knowledge of the material.
 
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haruspex is on a writing tear at the moment. When I get a chance I'm going to link all his entries together. It's a wonderful collection.
 
Sec 1 -There seems to be a small typo in the 6th line here
Attempted answer:
When the tension in the first spring is T, the tension in the second spring will also be T.
The two extensions will be ##\frac{T}{k_1} and \frac{T}{k_2}##
Total extension ## = T(\frac{1}{k_1}+\frac{1}{k_2})##
X Total tension = 2T
Overall spring constant ## = \frac{2T}{T(\frac{T}{1}k_1+\frac{1}{k_2})}=\frac{2k_1k_2}{k_1+k_2}##
I think it should be
Overall spring constant ## = \frac{2T}{T(\frac{1}{k_1}+\frac{1}{k_2})}=\frac{2k_1k_2}{k_1+k_2}##

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