Frequently Made Errors in Mechanics - Moments - Comments

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The discussion revolves around common errors encountered in mechanics, specifically related to moments and the equations governing rigid body dynamics. Participants explore the implications of these errors in calculations involving torques and moments of inertia.

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  • Some participants express appreciation for the insights shared in the original post, indicating its usefulness for future studies in physics and mechanics.
  • One participant discusses the equation of momentum for rigid bodies, highlighting that it is valid only when point A is a stationary point or the center of mass, and incorrect if A is the instantaneous center of rotation.
  • Another participant points out that the term involving angular velocity in the momentum equation is zero in planar problems but must be considered in three-dimensional scenarios.
  • There is a note that the tensor of inertia must refer to a body-fixed point, which is reiterated by another participant.
  • A further contribution introduces a general formula for the momentum of a rigid body that includes additional terms related to the center of mass and acceleration of point A.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of correctly applying the equations of motion for rigid bodies, but there are multiple competing views regarding the conditions under which these equations hold true, particularly concerning the definitions of point A and the relevance of certain terms in different dimensional contexts.

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Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of point A and the conditions under which the equations are applied, as well as the unresolved nature of the implications of these errors in practical calculations.

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Nice post, Haruspex. I'll have to come back to this when I start my physics and mechanics classes.
 
Having read this, my future calcs involving torques and moments of inertia will be much faster and easier.
 
Nice article. I just want to add some comment on the equation of momentum for rigid body and on some very frequent errors that arise in this regard.
The equation of momentum is
$$J_A\dot{\boldsymbol \omega}+\boldsymbol\omega\times J_A\boldsymbol\omega=\boldsymbol M_A.\qquad (*)$$ Here ##J_A,\boldsymbol\omega## are the operator of inertia about the point ##A## and the angular velocity of the rigid body respectively; ##\boldsymbol M_A## is the torque about the point ##A## applied to the rigid body.

But what is the point ##A##? If ##A## is a stationary point of the rigid body or its center of mass then equation (*) is correct.
In general, it is incorrect to use formula (*) for ##A## to be instantaneous centre of rotation; it is incorrect even for planar problems.

Another frequent error is concerned to the term ##\boldsymbol\omega\times J_A\boldsymbol\omega##. This term is equal to zero identically in planar problems. But one can not forget it in essentially 3D problems.
 
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One should also note that the tensor of inertia, ##J_A##, must refer to the body-fixed point ##A##.
 
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ne should also note that the tensor of inertia, JAJ_A, must refer to the body-fixed point AA.
sureaccidentally I came across an article
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2973359?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
perhaps It should be noted about a general formula. Let a point ##A## be any point of the rigid body. Then
$$J_A\dot{\boldsymbol\omega}+\boldsymbol\omega\times J_A\boldsymbol\omega+m\boldsymbol{AS}\times \boldsymbol a_A=\boldsymbol M_A;$$
where ##S## is the center of mass, ##m## is the mass of the rigid body, ##\boldsymbol a_A## is the acceleration of the point ##A##.
 
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