How Do You Calculate the Angle in a Spinning Mass Problem?

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The problem involves a mass suspended from a string that revolves in a horizontal circle, with the goal of calculating the angle between the string and the vertical. The context includes parameters such as mass, string length, and tangential speed.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of free body diagrams (FBD) and the equations of motion in both x and y directions. There are attempts to derive a quadratic equation from the forces acting on the mass, with some participants questioning the correctness of the equations used.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into their approaches and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the setup of equations, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct formulation or interpretation of the problem.

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Participants are navigating through the complexity of the equations derived from the forces acting on the mass, with some expressing uncertainty about their calculations and the assumptions made in their setups.

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Spinning mass

Homework Statement


1) A mass of 7.10 kg is suspended from a 1.21 m long string. It revolves in a horizontal circle as shown in the figure. The tangential speed of the mass is 2.90 m/s. Calculate the angle between the string and the vertical.

Picture 1) http://psblnx03.bd.psu.edu/res/msu/...Force_Motion_Adv/graphics/prob03_pendulum.gif

The Attempt at a Solution



For 1) I have the equation down to:

\frac{gL}{v^2} - \frac{gL}{v^2}cos^2 \theta - cos \theta = 0 How would I put this into the quadratic formula? (L = length of string)
 
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You should show what you did. For both of them you just need to draw an fbd and find the net force.
 
Jebus_Chris said:
You should show what you did. For both of them you just need to draw an fbd and find the net force.

I have shown what I did? If I were to show everything that would be a hell of a lot of typing. I've already done FBD, all I need is what has been asked.

Problem 1:

T_y - mg = 0 X-Direction: T sin \theta = \frac{mv^2}{r}

T cos\theta = mg X-Direction: T sin \theta = \frac{mv^2}{Lsin \theta}

T = \frac{mg}{cos \theta} X-Direction: T = \frac{mv^2}{Lsin^2 \theta}

\frac{mg}{cos \theta} = \frac {mv^2}{Lsin^2 \theta}

mgL sin^2 \theta = mv^2 cos \theta

gL(1-cos^2 \theta) = v^2 cos \theta Thus:

<br /> \frac{gL}{v^2} - \frac{gL}{v^2}cos^2 \theta - cos\theta = 0 <br />
 
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I have no idea what you did for (1). What were you x and y equations for force?
 
Jebus_Chris said:
I have no idea what you did for (1). What were you x and y equations for force?

I edited above for #1. The x-direction is on the right side, y on the left.
 
Alright, when I did it I had the radius as L >>
In your final equation just set cos\theta = x.
 
I did that but wouldn't you get something like

\frac{1 \pm \sqrt{1^2 - 4(1.41)(1.41)} }{2(1.41)}

Which would simplify to:

\frac{1 \pm \sqrt {-6.9524}}{2.82}

?

Edit: For reference the equation would be 1.41x^2 - x + 1.41 Edited out 2nd question.
 
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<br /> <br /> \frac{gL}{v^2} - \frac{gL}{v^2}cos^2 \theta - cos\theta = 0 <br /> <br />
So the quadratic equation would be
<br /> -1.41x^2 - x + 1.41 <br />
You had a positive when it is actually negative.
 

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