Friction bicycle homework Problem

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The problem involves a bicyclist coasting down a hill and examines the forces acting on the cyclist, particularly the force of friction proportional to speed. The context is centered around calculating a constant related to friction and determining the average force required to maintain a higher speed on the incline.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between friction and the forces acting on the cyclist, including the use of mass in calculations. Questions arise regarding the correct application of given values and the interpretation of the problem statement.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using the mass of the cyclist for calculations, while others express confusion over the results obtained. There is an acknowledgment of differing approaches and the need for clarification on certain steps in the problem-solving process.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential variability in the friction coefficient based on different riders, and there is mention of the specific mass provided for calculations, which may not have been fully utilized in earlier attempts.

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[SOLVED] Friction Problem

Homework Statement


A bicyclist can coast down a 5° hill at a constant 8.0 km/h. Assume the force of friction (air resistance) is proportional to the speed v so that Ffr = cv.

(a) Calculate the value of the constant c.
________ kg/s

(b) What is the average force that must be applied in order to descend the hill at 18 km/h? The mass of the cyclist plus bicycle is 85 kg.
________N


Homework Equations


Sigma F = ma
Ffr = cv

The Attempt at a Solution


First i converted my 8 km/hr into 2.22 m/s. Then i went into the parallel forces which are Ff and Fwx. The sum of their forces is equal to 0 because its acceleration is 0 so Ff is equal to Fwx and Fwx is equal to sin5 times mg which equlaed .854m. Then i set that equal to 2.22c because Ff also equal that. Now I'm stuck because I don't have mass. I tried writing out all units and canceling out so that on kg/s was left, but that didn't work out.

Any ideas?
 
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You correctly found that cv = mg · sin 5º . Go ahead and use the mass given for the cyclist in part (b); I think it's not intended to be used there exclusively. The "resistance" coefficient (largely due to air drag) will depend on the mass of the rider and bicycle; a different rider would have a different value for c.
 
When using the mass given in part b, the answer came out to be approx 1 kg/s which wasn't correct. Is there something I missed or another way to approach this problem.
 
MellowOne said:
When using the mass given in part b, the answer came out to be approx 1 kg/s which wasn't correct. Is there something I missed or another way to approach this problem.

I used what you set up and found

c = (85 kg) · (9.81 m/sec^2) · (sin 5º) / (2.22 m/sec) .

Did you omit something?
 
Yeah, I must have forgotten something cause I did it again and I got the right answer. Thanks a lot.
 

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