Friction coefficient is greater than 1 explanation

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The discussion revolves around the coefficient of friction observed in a lab experiment involving a wooden block and a metal table. The original poster reports a calculated static friction coefficient greater than 1 and seeks to understand the implications of this result.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster questions the validity of a coefficient of friction greater than 1 and proposes possible explanations involving sticky substances or magnetic forces. Other participants discuss the absence of a theoretical maximum for the coefficient of friction and reference examples from literature.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring the concept of friction coefficients and sharing insights about the nature of materials. Some guidance has been provided regarding the acceptability of coefficients greater than 1, and various interpretations of the limits of friction are being considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that multiple groups in the original poster's class have reported similar results, suggesting a potential commonality in experimental conditions or setups. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions underlying the measurements and the materials involved.

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The data came from my lab involving friction between wooden block with metal weight on it and a metal table. The wooden block is moved from rest and the force is measured using a force meter and Logger pro.

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Force of peak static friction = 23.285N. Normal force is 20.567N
u=F/N=1.132

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Why is the coefficient of friction greater than 1? Several groups in my class also had similar results with u>1. Why is that?

My guess is that there are some very small substance or agent between the wood block and table surface that is sticky and adds to friction force, or maybe there is magnetic force because there was a metal weight put on top of the wooden block to add more mass. Are my explanations plausible? Is there a better explanation?
 
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There is nothing that says the coefficient of friction can't be greater than 1 .
 
The only real "no no" is a kinetic friction coefficient larger than that of static.

1.132 is acceptable, if it were 1.8 or something then I'd worry.
 
Ok cool. So there is no absolute max? In wikipedia it says a rubber tire on concrete has u around 1.7 so how much higher does coefficient of friction go?
 
I would think the limit would be based off the materials that exist in the universe, no mathematical limit.

For example, syrup running down a kitchen wall. That would be an enormous coefficient.
 

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