Friction proportional to velovity. Help please

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a 1000kg boat experiencing a frictional force that is proportional to its speed after the engine is shut off. The objective is to determine the time it takes for the boat to reduce its speed to half of its initial speed using Newton's second law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss expressing the frictional force in terms of velocity and equating it with acceleration. There are questions about the integration process and the appropriate variables to use. Some participants explore the implications of non-constant acceleration due to the variable frictional force.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on integrating the equations and questioning the assumptions about forces acting on the boat. There is a recognition of the complexity introduced by the frictional force being dependent on velocity.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need to adhere to homework rules and express uncertainty about the integration process and the setup of the problem. There is a focus on understanding the relationship between force, acceleration, and velocity in the context of the problem.

ssm11s
Messages
10
Reaction score
0
1. A 1000kg boat is traveling across a lake when its engine is shut off. The magnitude of the frictional force between the water and the boat is proportional to the boat's speed (proportionality constant is 70) . Find the time it takes the boat to slow to one half its speed when the engine was shut off.



2. We have to solve this problem using Newton's second law: F=ma



3. I thought about this problem for over a week now, and I really need all the help I can get!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
first write the force as a constant times velocity, then equate with the acceleration equation you gave...

then do you know how to integrate?
 
yes i know how to integrate but I am not quiet sure how to develop the integration. what should the variable be ?
 
what did you get for the sum of your forces
 
do you think there is an f app? or just friction force moving the boat. like a car on a road? i think it would be the same situation, do you?
 
i think we use vfinal = v initial + at. as v/2= v + at. and a = (sum of forces divided by mass). i also think I am in your class.
 
yeah i think there exists only a friction force. so the sum of forces would be : -f=ma

but the problem is the acceleration is not constant because the f is not constant
 
so t = (v/2 + v)(1/a). and a = the 1st integral of v. and v= (frictional force/70) (is that right) but how do we get units in? and then frictinal force is the x component of the forces... but is there an f app?
 
You said you know how to integrate so I assume you have taken Calculus. What would the force and acceleration not being constant bother you?

Use ma= f. What does that look like in this case? What is f? Do you understand that a= dv/dt?
 
  • #10
why didnt i think of that earlier. so dv/dt= -70v

divide both sides by v. then integrate one side in terms of dv and the other side in terms of t .
Thanks for the guidance !
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
3K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
8K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
3K