Frictionless Surface Homework: Newton's 3rd Law and Momentum

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a small cylindrical disk colliding with a more massive square block on a frictionless surface. The focus is on understanding the implications of Newton's 3rd Law and the conservation of momentum in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the nature of forces during the collision, questioning whether the disk or the block exerts a greater force. There is also a discussion about the implications of the disk bouncing back and what that indicates regarding the forces at play.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into Newton's 3rd Law, suggesting that the forces exerted by the disk and the block are equal. Others express uncertainty about the correct answer to the problem, indicating a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the implications of a frictionless surface and the nature of forces in a collision scenario, with some expressing confusion about the relationship between mass, force, and momentum.

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Homework Statement



A small cylindrical disk hits a more massive square block directly head on. Both objects slide without friction on a smooth ice surface. The block is pushed forward and the disk bounces back. Which statement is true?

a) The block pushes the disk.
b) The disk exerts a greater force because it is moving.
c) The block exerts a greater force because it is more massive.
d) The total momentum changes when they collide.
e) No forces occur because the objects are just sliding (inertia).

Homework Equations



Newton's 3rd Law and Conservation of Momentum.

The Attempt at a Solution



I've narrowed down my answer to either A or E because of Newton's 3rd Law and Conservation of Momentum.
 
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What does "the disk bounces back" indicate with respect to forces?
 
I don't get what you mean. All I know is that the objects exert the same forces on one another, right? So that is how I narrowed it down to either A or E. But is it one of the others? Can someone explain?
 
Newton's 3rd law tells us that when you punch the wall, the wall punches back equally. In other words, with equal force. In other words, you don't punch the block with any more force than the wall punches you with. In other words, your punch's force and the wall's punching force are equal.

So take what I said above, and replace your punch with the cylinder, and the wall with the block. Does one hit the other with greater force? Or are they equal?
 
I understand Newton's 3rd Law. So does that mean that the answer is A? Because there are forces that are occurring, even if it is a frictionless surface. So the answer is A. Correct?
 
Yes.
 
Ryo124 said:
I don't get what you mean. All I know is that the objects exert the same forces on one another, right? So that is how I narrowed it down to either A or E. But is it one of the others? Can someone explain?
E is false, because the disk is subject to a force by virtue of the fact that it changed direction and momentum, therefore a force had to be involved.
 
Okay. That makes sense Astronuc, thanks. Thanks to you too dvdqnoc
 

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