Friends,A doubt in piezoelectricity. I heard that when pressure is

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The discussion revolves around the principles of piezoelectricity, specifically addressing the conditions under which voltage is generated in piezoelectric materials like quartz crystals. Participants explore the necessity of pressure cycles versus constant pressure and delve into the mathematical relationships involved in piezoelectric effects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a pressure cycle is necessary to generate voltage in piezoelectric materials or if constant high pressure suffices.
  • Another participant clarifies that it is stress, not just pressure, that induces charge separation in the crystal, leading to a voltage difference when leads are attached.
  • A participant inquires about equations to calculate the potential difference generated by piezoelectric materials.
  • One response suggests that the equations vary based on the material and introduces concepts related to capacitance and inductance, indicating a relationship between frequency, capacitance, and resistance.
  • Another participant notes that applying a voltage to piezoelectric crystals causes them to expand, highlighting the reciprocal nature of piezoelectric effects.
  • Several participants express confusion regarding the matrix equations related to piezoelectricity, with requests for clarification on their meaning and application.
  • One participant explains a specific matrix equation that relates electric induction to applied stress and external electric fields, detailing how stress components affect electric field components.
  • Another participant admits to not understanding the matrix equations, indicating a lack of familiarity with the mathematical concepts involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the mathematical aspects of piezoelectricity, with no consensus reached on the necessity of pressure cycles versus constant pressure for voltage generation. The discussion remains unresolved on several technical points.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the mathematical formulations and their implications, indicating a need for further clarification on the equations and their application to specific materials.

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Friends,

A doubt in piezoelectricity. I heard that when pressure is applied in a quartz crystals(or other similar items), a high voltage is produced and this is called piezoelectricity. My question is, is it necessary a pressure cycle should go on? i.e. first a high pressure, then low, then high is needed to produce it or simply a constant high pressure is enough for it.

Please answer me.
 
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Not pressure but stress, e.g. compression along one axis. It causes a charge separation in the crystal and therefore an electric dipole moment. Attach leads to opposite sides and you'll see a small voltage difference, which goes away when the stress is removed.
 


I can understand. Is there any equation to find the potential difference between them or any other like that. If so, please give me explain it to me so that I can understand.
 


I believe that this coined phrase piezo refers to tha man who found the range of frequency response from a naturally occurring mineral. And that this equation your looking for is actually varying on the material in question which happens to be in the periodic table's ordered model of subatomic interaction. Something like Capacitance Medium is on one end of the scale and the Induction is on the other, which is going to give you:
frequency=capacitance*resistance;
frequency=inductance/resistance;
But expect to pay much for the oscilliscope to find out if you have the inductance and capacitance values correct for your test circuit.
 


I'll also add that for such crystals the opposite is true: when a voltage is applied they expand.
 


DrFurious said:
I'll also add that for such crystals the opposite is true: when a voltage is applied they expand.

pallidin said:
For more info, please see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectricity

@DrFurious: I know that but any way thanks for ur reply.

@pallidin: Hey, I asked the question only after reading the article. I can't understand the equation given there. Please explain it to me.
 


Raama said:
@pallidin: Hey, I asked the question only after reading the article. I can't understand the equation given there. Please explain it to me.

OK, gotcha, perhaps someone more knowlegable than I on this subject can assist you.
 


Raama said:
@pallidin: Hey, I asked the question only after reading the article. I can't understand the equation given there. Please explain it to me.

If you are referring to the matrix, please send me a message if you figure it out. Thats something i can't understand either
 
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The matrix equations look so complicated because they are given for a general case.
The second one in the link:

\begin{bmatrix} D_1 \\ D_2 \\ D_3 \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & d_{15} & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & d_{24} & 0 & 0 \\ d_{31} & d_{32} & d_{33} & 0 & 0 & 0 \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} T_1 \\ T_2 \\ T_3 \\ T_4 \\ T_5 \\ T_6 \end{bmatrix} + \begin{bmatrix} {\varepsilon}_{11} & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & {\varepsilon}_{22} & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & {\varepsilon}_{33} \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} E_1 \\ E_2 \\ E_3 \end{bmatrix}

gives the components of the electric induction D but for the case when you apply pressure on the piezoelectric (T) AND and external field (E).
For the question in the OP you can discard the second part in the right hand side and you will have just the field components due to stress (T). Here 1,2,3 for D and E means x,y,z components. For stress (T) is a little more complicated. Each index (1,2,3...) means two indices (see stress tensor).

For example, if you apply a compression stress along the x-axis (for example applying pressure), the stress component describing this will be Txx=T1.
The effect will be a field component along the z axis:
D3=d31*T1

In general, what the matrix equation means is a set of three algebraic equations:
D1=d15*T2
D2=d24*T4
D3=D31*T1+d32*T2+d33*T3

The coefficients dij are provided by the manufacturer of the piezoelectric device or material.
 
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Yeah...I don't even know what half of that meant. I have never used a matrix in my life. Probably should have said that first.
 

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