Front/Rear Wheels Turning: Pros & Cons

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics and implications of car wheel steering configurations, specifically comparing front-wheel steering to rear-wheel steering. Participants explore the pros and cons of each system, including considerations for maneuverability, control, and vehicle design, as well as the functionality of four-wheel steering systems.

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  • One participant questions why car wheels predominantly turn from the front and asks for the advantages and disadvantages of rear-wheel steering.
  • Another notes that rear-wheel drive systems can be difficult to control, citing the Thrust SSC as an example of a vehicle that used rear wheel steering.
  • A participant warns that rear turning could lead to instability, particularly on highways, suggesting that it would require precise awareness of the vehicle's surroundings.
  • There is speculation that a rear or mid-engine vehicle with rear wheel steering could provide advantages, such as better grip due to weight distribution and reduced likelihood of sliding.
  • One participant mentions that at low speeds, rear-wheel steering can enhance maneuverability, while at high speeds, it poses risks due to the vehicle's center of gravity and potential for roll-yaw couples.
  • Another participant references the Dymaxion car, which had rear steering, noting that support for such designs diminished after a serious accident.

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Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness and safety of rear-wheel steering, with no consensus reached on its overall advantages or disadvantages. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal steering configuration for different driving conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions about vehicle dynamics and control, particularly concerning weight distribution and the effects of steering at different speeds. There are unresolved questions about the implications of rear-wheel steering in specific vehicle designs.

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Individuals interested in automotive engineering, vehicle dynamics, and steering mechanisms may find this discussion relevant.

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why don't car wheels turn from the rear as opposed from the front?

surely this is the same as traditional cars nowadays but with a different sensation in turning right?

what I would like to know is what are the pros and cons in each circumstance?

Also as a plus I know there are cars with 4 wheel steering where all 4 wheels are used to turn but why don't the rear wheels turn to the degree as much as the front ones?

thanks for any possible answers forwarded
 
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Normally rear wheel drive systems are difficult to control. The Thrust SSC, a super sonic land vehicle, used rear wheel steering.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThrustSSC

http://www.roadsters.com/750

prototype:

sscmini.jpg
 
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With rear turning, a turn to the left would swlng your back to the right.
Don't try that on the highway.
 
you wouldn't severely turn that hard on a highway unless you were suicidal just like a normal car right? but agreed a con would be that you would have to sense the rear end more precisely being mindful of your surroundings

however surely if you had either a rear or mid engined vehicle with the rear wheels used for turning would there not be an advantage?
such as...
more weight on rear tyres to provide better grip.
car slide where rear wheels loose traction therefore with rear wheel steering would you not less likely slide??
going to the extreme you could have 1 wheel at the front with 2 rear steered wheels therefore reducing weight.
a rear spoiler would also emphasise an element of control under speed.


am I just babbling "used food" or is this making sense??
 
At low speeds you gain manuverability.

At high speeds you're asking for trouble. The further back the center of gravity, the worse it gets. To turn right, you are first redirecting the inertia to the left. This could induce a driver assisted roll-yaw couple that could end up rolling the car. It would be a really bad idea in a midengine design.

Automobiles that have been designed with four wheel steering have the rear wheels turning opposite what you might expected for highway speeds. That is, at high speeds, as the front wheels turn clockwise, so do the rear wheels, but to lesser degree. At low speeds, they will turn in opposite directions for tighter turns.
 
This has been tried, after a fashion. Google the Dymaxion car, which was created by none other than Buckminster Fuller. This was a three wheeled vehicle, with steering on the lone wheel in the back. Support for the design waned when one was involved in a terrible crash.
 
cheers guys I feel very enlightened on this topic that grabbed my interest!
 

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