Functions for which f(nx) is a polynomial of f(x).

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The discussion revolves around identifying functions for which the expression f(nx) can be represented as a polynomial in terms of f(x), focusing on examples, properties, and potential limitations of such functions. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that cos(x) is an example, noting that cos(2x) can be expressed as a polynomial in cos(x).
  • Another participant provides examples including exponential functions and linear functions, indicating that e^(nx) = (e^x)^n and log(nx) = log(x) + log(n).
  • A participant inquires about more complex examples where the polynomial has more than two terms.
  • Another participant discusses the potential for fractional powers in polynomial expressions but expresses doubt about the feasibility of polynomials fulfilling the relationship.
  • One participant outlines a reasoning process involving degrees of polynomials, suggesting that if f(nx) = g(f(x)), the degrees of the left-hand side and right-hand side must be considered, leading to a conclusion that polynomials may not satisfy the relationship unless specific conditions are met.
  • A later reply reiterates the search for "exotic" examples and proposes a rephrasing of the question to focus on non-trivial solutions that yield polynomials of degree greater than 2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and nature of functions that meet the criteria, with no consensus reached on whether polynomials can generally fulfill the relationship or on the existence of more complex examples.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of "exotic" examples and the conditions under which the polynomial relationships hold. The discussion also touches on the implications of polynomial degrees without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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What are some examples of functions such that

[itex]f(nx) = a_{k}f(x)^{k}+...+a_{1}f(x)+a_{0}[/itex]

for some integers n, k, and integer coefficients in the polynomial?

The only example I can think of is cos(x), for which [itex]\cos(2x) = 2\cos(x)^{2}-1[/itex] and there are similar relations for n = 3, 4, etc.

Are these the only possible examples expressible in terms of elementary functions?
 
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[tex]e^{nx} = (e^x)^n[/tex]

f(x) = ax + b

log(nx) = log(x) + log n
 
Ah yes I didn't think of those.

Are there any more "exotic" examples?
I mean, for which the polynomial involved has more than 2 terms, say?
 
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Nicely factored polynomials let you write the opposite of polynomials (instead of integer terms, 1/k terms)

[tex]f(x) = (x+1)^2[/tex]
Then
[tex]f(nx) = (nx+1)^2 = n^2(x+1/n)^2 = n^2 (x+1+(1/n-1))^2[/tex]
[tex]= n^2 ( (x+1)^2 + 2(x+1)(1/n-1) + (1/n-1)^2)[/tex]
[tex]= n^2(f(x)+ (1/n-1) f(x)^{1/2} + (1/n-1)^2)[/tex]

I can't figure out a way to jigger it (make it negative degree terms, fractional terms etc) to make it a true polynomial but maybe someone else can see how to do it
 
Interesting idea for the fractional powers. Unfortunately I don't think polynomials will work for the relationship.

Suppose
[itex]f(x) = a_{k}x^{k}+...+a_{0}[/itex] and [itex]g(x) = b_{l}x^{l}+...+b_{0}[/itex]

where [itex]f(nx) = g(f(x))[/itex]

The LHS has degree k, while the RHS has degree k*l, which is greater than k unless l is 1, which corresponds to [itex]f(nx) = b_{1}f(x)+b_{0}[/itex].
 
Boorglar said:
Are there any more "exotic" examples?
I mean, for which the polynomial involved has more than 2 terms, say?

If [itex]f(nx) = P(f(x))[/itex] then [itex]f(n^2x) = f(n(nx)) = P(f(nx)) = P(P(f(x))[/itex]. If the degree of the polynomial [itex]P(x) > 1[/itex] you can build a sequence of higher degree polynomials by changing [itex]n[/itex] to powers of itself.

If we define the lowest possible [itex]n[/itex] to be a "non-trivial" solution, the question can be rephrased to ask for examples where a non-trivial solution is a polynomial of degree greater than 2.

If we have a particular polynomial [itex]G(x)[/itex] in mind then we can ask for the smallest [itex]n[/itex] such that there is some polynomial [itex]P(x)[/itex] of smaller degree than [itex]G(x)[/itex] and [itex]G(x)[/itex] is a member of the sequence of polynomials that are built-up in the above fashion. Thats a question for a good algebraist and I'm not sure how the answer bears on the original question - I'll use the excuse that it past 3AM in my time zone.
 

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