Fundamental Theorem of Line Integration

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The discussion revolves around the Fundamental Theorem of Line Integration, specifically focusing on a conservative force field defined as F(r) = c*r/(|r|)^3, where r represents a position vector in three-dimensional space. Participants are tasked with finding the work done by this force in moving an object between two points in relation to their distances from the origin.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the nature of the force field and its conservative properties, with some suggesting that the work done can be expressed in terms of the distances d1 and d2. Questions arise about how to express the position vector r and its relationship to the distances. There are attempts to derive a potential function related to the force field, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their understanding of gravity and vector fields.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts and attempts at formulating the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the potential function and the gradient of a related expression, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or solution as participants continue to explore various interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the relationship between the force field and gravitational concepts, as well as the mathematical representation of vectors and gradients. There is a noted lack of clarity on how to correctly apply the concepts to the problem at hand.

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Homework Statement


Suppose that F is the inverse square force field below, where c is a constant.
F(r) = c*r/(|r|)^3
r = x i + y j + z k
(a) Find the work done by F in moving an object from a point P1 along a path to a point P2 in terms of the distances d1 and d2 from these points to the origin.


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Well this is a conservative force because it is dealing with gravity. So i know that the solution is going to be something like F(d2-d1). But how do i write that out? I think that |r| just equals d1 or d2 depending on which one is selected. But how do i get r?
 
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I also thought something like (c*P2)/(d2)^3-(c*P1)/(d1)^3..but that's not right, so i must be missing something
 
Gee Wiz said:
I also thought something like (c*P2)/(d2)^3-(c*P1)/(d1)^3..but that's not right, so i must be missing something

Try and guess a potential function that gives you that vector field as a gradient. If you know something about gravity, you might already know the form of the potential function.
 
So apparently I know nothing about gravity because i can't guess the potential function. I would think that all the vectors would point in towards the more massive object. (in this case towards the origin)
 
Gee Wiz said:
So apparently I know nothing about gravity because i can't guess the potential function. I would think that all the vectors would point in towards the more massive object. (in this case towards the origin)

Which direction they point depends on the sign of c. Try computing the gradient of 1/|r|. Does it look anything like your vector field?
 
since r(t)=xi+yj+zk isn't lrl=sqrt(3). That isn't the gradient is it..because del f is like (fx,fy,fz,..etc) ...
 
Gee Wiz said:
since r(t)=xi+yj+zk isn't lrl=sqrt(3). That isn't the gradient is it..because del f is like (fx,fy,fz,..etc) ...

|r|=sqrt(x^2+y^2+z^2). How is that sqrt(3)?
 
sorry i meant lr'(t)l
 

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