Integration Regions: Convex and Continuous?

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The discussion revolves around classifying regions D1 and D2 in terms of their types, specifically whether they are Type I or Type II regions based on their geometric properties. The context involves understanding the definitions of convexity and continuity in relation to integration regions.

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  • Participants explore the definitions of Type I and Type II regions, questioning how the characteristics of D1 and D2 fit these classifications. There is discussion about the implications of vertical segments in D2 and whether they affect the classification. Some participants suggest that both regions can be considered as both types under certain conditions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and asking for clarifications about the classification criteria. There is an exploration of how to handle regions with vertical segments and whether partitioning regions for integration affects their classification. No consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the definitions of region types without relying on external resources. There is an emphasis on the continuity of the area as a function of certain parameters, which is under examination.

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Homework Statement


What type of region(s) do the following classify as?

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I would classify D1 as both types; my reasoning is that by the definition of a convex polygon (i.e. all x,y in D1, the lie segment connecting x and y is entirely in D1), this therefore qualifies as both types.
For D2: Let c be a point in interval between x-value endpoints of region, cross section of D2@c, projected onto y-axis is closed interval and depends on c continuously. (This is true for an arbitrary c in between y-value endpoints), so would this be both types as well?
 

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Nicolaus said:

Homework Statement


What type of region(s) do the following classify as?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I would classify D1 as both types; my reasoning is that by the definition of a convex polygon (i.e. all x,y in D1, the lie segment connecting x and y is entirely in D1), this therefore qualifies as both types.
For D2: Let c be a point in interval between x-value endpoints of region, cross section of D2@c, projected onto y-axis is closed interval and depends on c continuously. (This is true for an arbitrary c in between y-value endpoints), so would this be both types as well?

So tell us what a region's "type" means. We aren't reading your book.
 
LCKurtz said:
So tell us what a region's "type" means. We aren't reading your book.
Type I: y varies as a function of x; x is bounded by 2 constants -> y(x) < y < y(x)2
Type II: x varies as a function of y; y is bounded by 2 constants -> x(y) < x < x(y)2
 
Nicolaus said:
Type I: y varies as a function of x; x is bounded by 2 constants -> y(x) < y < y(x)2
Type II: x varies as a function of y; y is bounded by 2 constants -> x(y) < x < x(y)2
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Nicolaus said:
Type I: y varies as a function of x; x is bounded by 2 constants -> y(x) < y < y(x)2
Type II: x varies as a function of y; y is bounded by 2 constants -> x(y) < x < x(y)2

I would agree that both areas are both type 1 and type 2. In the right hand figure (D2) the lower boundary is not a function because of the vertical segment. But you can just leave the vertical segent out making a function of ##x## that has a finite jump. Still, area is continuous as a function of ##c## if I understand what you are saying.
 
LCKurtz said:
I would agree that both areas are both type 1 and type 2. In the right hand figure (D2) the lower boundary is not a function because of the vertical segment. But you can just leave the vertical segent out making a function of ##x## that has a finite jump. Still, area is continuous as a function of ##c## if I understand what you are saying.

Can you expand on the part about negating the vertical segment by making a function of x that has a finite jump? Does this still count as being both type I and II? If I integrate D2 (starting from the left), until I hit the line segment, then add another double integral that starts from that vertical line segment and continues to the right-most bound, will this still be considered both Type I and II (the fact that I partitioned the region into 2 segments of type I (or II) and added them)?
 
Nicolaus said:
Can you expand on the part about negating the vertical segment by making a function of x that has a finite jump? Does this still count as being both type I and II? If I integrate D2 (starting from the left), until I hit the line segment, then add another double integral that starts from that vertical line segment and continues to the right-most bound, will this still be considered both Type I and II (the fact that I partitioned the region into 2 segments of type I (or II) and added them)?

The fact that you have to break the regions into two parts to do the integration doesn't prevent it from being a type 1 or 2 region. You still have an upper and lower function. They are just two piece formulas.
 

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