Future of Moore's Law, Physics, and Nano Devices

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The discussion revolves around the future of Moore's Law, particularly in relation to the limits of nano technology and the fabrication of semiconductors. Participants explore the implications of physical laws on the size of transistors and the potential future of nano devices.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the sustainability of Moore's Law, citing limits imposed by nano technology and fundamental physical laws.
  • Others argue that predictions about the end of Moore's Law have repeatedly proven incorrect, suggesting that industry expectations drive continued innovation beyond mere size reduction.
  • A participant notes that the current smallest transistors are around 20nm, with speculation that they could reach atomic size, but also points out that processor performance scaling has already plateaued.
  • One participant questions the feasibility of designing devices at the size of electrons, while another asserts that it is impossible to build devices at that scale.
  • Discussion includes current industry capabilities, with mentions of Intel's production yields at 14nm and expectations for 5nm technology, while acknowledging challenges in scaling beyond silicon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are multiple competing views regarding the future of Moore's Law and the limits of transistor size, with ongoing debate about the implications of physical laws and technological advancements.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about future technological capabilities and the definitions of size limits for transistors. The conversation reflects uncertainty about the trajectory of Moore's Law and the impact of industry practices.

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Hi!

The other day, I read about Moore's Law. To me it seems a miracle how one could predict in 1965 that the number of transistors would double every two years.
However, there has to be an end to this exponential growth due to limits of nano technology, fabrication of semiconductors, fundamental physical laws, and so on.

How small can transistors be nowadays? What might be the future of nano devices? Any thoughts?

I'd like to hear what you guys think!
 
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Every year that I recall in the past 40 years, pundits predicted the end of Moore's Law. They were always wrong.

A partial explantion is that Moore's Law sets expectations. Industry players expect that if they don't meet Moore's Law improvement levles that they won't survive. Conversely, advances that exceed Moore's Law may be held back as a cushion to meet next year's expectations. I don't think you'll find hard evidence of these things, it is just a reasonable speculation.

Expectations have been met using more than just making things smaller. Ingenuity and innovations of all kinds have been used.

I will not attempt to predict which innovations will prove dominent in the future. But I have confidence that Moore's Law expectations will continue to be met for some time to come.
 
The wiki article on the subject has all the relevant details. Currently, the smallest are 20nm and if the trend holds, they will be atomic size in 2020. So I would say that's the limit under a basic interpretation.

Note however that by some related measures and interpretations, limits have already happened. Processor performance used to scale with Moore's law, but that ended 10 years ago, for example.
 
Thank you!

That would mean that devices cannot become smaller than the size of an atom, using the current techniques. Since electrons are much smaller than atoms, would it even be possible to design devices at the size of electrons?
 
There's no way to build devices at the size of electrons.
 
Intel has 14nm production yields, 10nm in pilot and 7nm in R&D. Most in the industry expect 5nm is possible using current silicon technology. Scaling down past Silicon will be a long time coming due to the costs.
 

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