Galois Extension with intermediate field that is not Galois

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The discussion revolves around finding fields K, M, and L such that the extension K:L is Galois while K:M is not. The original poster explores examples involving roots of unity and minimal polynomials to illustrate their reasoning.

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  • The original poster considers the field of rational numbers and primitive roots of unity as potential examples. They question whether certain extensions are Galois based on the properties of minimal polynomials.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's ideas, offering insights about conjugate pairs and polynomial roots. Some guidance is provided regarding the nature of the roots and their implications for the Galois property of the extensions.

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The discussion includes considerations of specific polynomials and their roots, as well as the implications of using powers of integers in the context of field extensions. There is a noted complexity in the relationships between the fields being discussed.

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Hey PF, I'm trying to find fields K<M<L such that K:L is Galois but K:M is not.

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My first idea was let K=Q the field of rational numbers and c be a primitive 6th root of unity, so then Q<Q(c^4)<Q(c). Q:Q(c) Is galois, and I'm hoping that Q<Q(c^4) is not. Then again, would c^4 be a third primitive root of unity? If so then Q<Q(c^4) would be Galois I believe. Right?

Can anyone help me find something that would work?
 
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As long as you deal with powers of two, you will probably find a lot of conjugates. This means that with one root, the other one is found by an automorphism. What if you consider a polynomial with two kinds of roots: a conjugate pair and another one? Which power comes to mind in such a case?
 
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fresh_42 said:
As long as you deal with powers of two, you will probably find a lot of conjugates. This means that with one root, the other one is found by an automorphism. What if you consider a polynomial with two kinds of roots: a conjugate pair and another one? Which power comes to mind in such a case?

Powers of 3 come to mind. A splitting field for x^3-1=(x-1)(x^2+x+1). However if c is a primitive third root of unity then Q(c)=Q(c^2) so I do not think that this example will help me find an extension with a non-Galois intermediate field. Perhaps Q(ac) where a is the third real root of some integer n and c is a primitive third root of unity, then Q<Q(a)<Q(ac) where Q:Q(ac) is Galois and Q:(a) is not. the minimal polynomial of ac over Q will be x^3-a, and this polynomial will split in Q(ac).
But the minimal polynomial of a over Q is also x^3-a and this polynomial will not split in Q(a).

Are my statements correct?
 
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Powers of 3 come to mind. A splitting field for x^3-1=(x-1)(x^2+x+1). However if c is a primitive third root of unity then Q(c)=Q(c^2) so I do not think that this example will help me find an extension with a non-Galois intermediate field. Perhaps Q(ac) where a is the third real root of some integer n and c is a primitive third root of unity, then Q<Q(a)<Q(ac) where Q:Q(ac) is Galois and Q:(a) is not. the minimal polynomial of ac over Q will be x^3-a, and this polynomial will split in Q(ac).
But the minimal polynomial of a over Q is also x^3-a and this polynomial will not split in Q(a).

Are my statements correct?
Would have been easier to read if you just said ##2## instead of ##a## and didn't introduce ##n## because you confused yourself ("a is the third real root of some integer n" and then "x^3-a"), but, yes, you're correct.
 
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