Is this field extension normal?

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The discussion revolves around the field extension Q(c):Q, where c is a primitive nth root of unity, and whether this extension is normal. Participants are examining the properties of the polynomial x^n - 1 and its relation to the minimal polynomial of Q(c).

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  • Participants explore the splitting of the polynomial x^n - 1 and its roots, questioning the definition and implications of normality in the context of field extensions. There is discussion about the minimal polynomial of Q(c) and its relationship to the nth cyclotomic polynomial.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the properties of the polynomial and its roots. Some participants are questioning the definitions and assumptions related to the cyclotomic polynomial and the nature of primitive roots.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the definitions of primitive roots and the nature of the cyclotomic polynomial, as well as the implications of the polynomial's roots in relation to the field extension.

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Homework Statement


Consider the field extension Q(c):Q, where c is a primitive nth root of unity. Is this extension normal?

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I believe this polynomial splits in x^n - 1,where it's n roots are exactly the powers of c. Thus this extension is normal because Q(c) is a finite splitting field of the polynomial x^n-1 over Q. Is this correct?
 
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PsychonautQQ said:

Homework Statement


Consider the field extension Q(c):Q, where c is a primitive nth root of unity. Is this extension normal?

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I believe this polynomial splits in x^n - 1,where it's n roots are exactly the powers of c. Thus this extension is normal because Q(c) is a finite splitting field of the polynomial x^n-1 over Q. Is this correct?
Yes. Only that ##x^n-1## is divided by the minimal polynomial of ##\mathbb{Q}(c)##. "splits in ##x^n-1##" doesn't make sense. And you get less than ##n## factors, since ##(x-1)## is one factor (eventually with others) which you don't need.
You already know, which powers of ##c## are primitive, so you have two ways to write down the minimal polynomial: either by all the factors that give you all the necessary roots in terms of powers of ##c##, or explicitly with the roots in ##\mathbb{C}##. Both ways show you the decomposition. The way using complex numbers has the advantage, that one easily sees, that and which powers of ##c## are involved.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Yes. Only that ##x^n-1## is divided by the minimal polynomial of ##\mathbb{Q}(c)##. "splits in ##x^n-1##" doesn't make sense. And you get less than ##n## factors, since ##(x-1)## is one factor (eventually with others) which you don't need.
You already know, which powers of ##c## are primitive, so you have two ways to write down the minimal polynomial: either by all the factors that give you all the necessary roots in terms of powers of ##c##, or explicitly with the roots in ##\mathbb{C}##. Both ways show you the decomposition. The way using complex numbers has the advantage, that one easily sees, that and which powers of ##c## are involved.
My bad, I should have said x^n - 1 splits in Q(c). x^n-1 is divided by the minimal polynomial of Q(c)? The minimal polynomial of Q(c) will not b the nth cyclotomic polynomial because n is not primitive, do I need to know more about it's minimal polynomial. But the nth cyclotomic polynomial will be a factor of the minimal polynomial in c because all of it's roots are powers of c.
 
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My bad, I should have said x^n - 1 splits in Q(c). x^n-1 is divided by the minimal polynomial of Q(c)? The minimal polynomial of Q(c) will not b the nth cyclotomic polynomial because n is not primitive, do I need to know more about it's minimal polynomial. But the nth cyclotomic polynomial will be a factor of the minimal polynomial in c because all of it's roots are powers of c.
Well the ##n-##th roots of unity are all complex numbers, because at latest ##x^n-1## splits in ##\mathbb{C}##.
You know, that they divide the unit circle in equidistant parts. Since ##1^n-1=0\, , \,(x-1)\,|\,(x^n-1)## and our first point is ##1##. The others are therefore ##\exp(\frac{k}{n}\,\cdot\,2\pi\,i)=\exp(\frac{1}{n}\,\cdot\,2\pi\,i)^k=c^k## with ##k=1,\ldots,n-1##. Split. You know from previous posts, that you need a primitive root ##c## as given to get all others as a power of it.

I'm not sure how you define the cyclotomic polynomial. In my books, it is the (irreducible) minimal polynomial (which of course has to divide ##x^n-1##).

We don't say ##n## is primitive or not. A root of ##x^n-1## can be primitive or not: ##\exp(\frac{1}{n}\,\cdot\,2\pi\,i)^1## is, ##\exp(\frac{1}{n}\,\cdot\,2\pi\,i)^0## is not. ##c## is primitive simply means, that you can hop around the circle starting at ##c^0## by steps of ##\cdot c## and hit all other roots before you hit one twice. Like ##(c^0,c^3,c^2,c^1)## hops in steps of ##c^3## and hits all of the ##4-##th roots of unity, whereas ##(c^0,c^2)## in steps of ##c^2## does not.
 
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