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The discussion revolves around constructing a polynomial of degree 7 with rational coefficients that has a Galois group over the rationals, Q, isomorphic to S7. The original poster is attempting to find an irreducible polynomial with exactly two nonreal roots.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of trial and error in finding a suitable polynomial, with one suggesting the application of Theorem 4.16 from algebra literature. There is mention of using analytic geometry to visualize polynomials with the desired root characteristics.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the use of Eisenstein's criterion for irreducibility and the conditions for the Galois group. There is an ongoing exploration of methods to construct the polynomial, with no explicit consensus reached on a specific approach.

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Participants are working within the constraints of homework guidelines and are seeking clarification on specific mathematical criteria, such as Eisenstein's criterion, while grappling with the complexities of polynomial construction.

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Homework Statement



Construct a polynomial of degree 7 with rational coefficients whose Galois group over Q is S7

Homework Equations



I need an irreducible polynomial of degree 7 that has exactly 2 nonreal roots.

The Attempt at a Solution



I have just been using trial and error, graphing polynomials of degree 7, making sure that eisenstein's criterion is in force for the irreducible part.
I just change up the coefficients and hope the graph crosses the x-axis 5 times. I'm not having any luck.
Any hints or pointers on how to construct this polynomial?
Thanks,
CC
 
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It's not hard to find a polynomial of degree n with any n given numbers as roots, nor is it hard to find a real one of even degree with no real roots. I don't know how you think this will give you the answer though.
 
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Hi, happyg1,

Let me go out on a limb here and try to guess the answer to the question implicit in the reply by StatusX. My guess is that you are trying to use Theorem 4.16 in Jacobson, Basic Algebra to find a polynomial over Q which has Galois group S_7, as a homework problem for your course in modern algebra. This theorem states that if f is a polynomial of degree p, where p is prime, which is irreducible over Q and has exactly two non-real roots over C (aha!), then the Galois group of f is S_p.

So your problem is reduced to finding an irreducible polynomial of degree seven which has precisely five real roots. But this is fairly elementary given that trial and error is likely to succeed. On scrap paper, you can use analytic geometry to concoct a family of polynomials with five real roots (i.e. plot x^7 and add terms to pull the graph up/down in just the right way to give five roots), then you can probably use your favorite sufficient condition for irreducibility to find a rational coefficient polynomial in this family which is irreducible, and in your writeup you can simply present your polynomial, prove it is irreducible over Q, use Sturm's theorem to carefully verify that it has precisely five real roots, and then use Theorem 4.16 to show that it must have Galois group S_7.

(I think I see a clever approach which uses a "coincidence of small groups", but never mind.)

"Trial and error": actually, in a sense most irreducible polynomials of degree p have Galois group S_p. The hard part is finding ones with smaller Galois groups, since they get rather rare rather quickly! OTH, every finite solvable group (maybe even every finite group) arises as the Galois group of some polynomial over Q. These topics are discussed in various algebra books.
 
I'm working from herstein section 5.8, but it's the same thing.
I've resorted to Matlab and I think I might have one that works...just need some clarification on eisenstein's criterion.

The prime number has to divide every coefficient except the highest degree one...and p^2 does not divide the constant?

am I there? I got a big 'ol polynomial. I hope I'm right about this 'cause I'm TIRED.

CC
 
yeh, you have eisenstein's criterion correct.
 

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