Gas density and mass (Attraction towards Earth)

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The discussion centers around the presence of ozone in the upper atmosphere despite its higher molecular mass compared to oxygen and carbon dioxide. Participants explore the mechanisms of ozone formation, the effects of atmospheric conditions, and the dynamics of gas stratification.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why ozone, which has a higher molecular mass than oxygen and CO2, is found at higher altitudes in the atmosphere.
  • Others suggest that ozone is located in the upper atmosphere because it is produced there through photochemical reactions.
  • It is noted that ozone is unstable and constantly created and broken down in the upper atmosphere.
  • Some participants argue that gases stratify by molecular weight only under certain conditions, such as the absence of mixing due to temperature differences.
  • There is a discussion about the role of solar radiation in ozone formation, with some indicating that the intensity of solar radiation is stronger at higher altitudes, facilitating ozone production.
  • One participant points out that while ozone can be created at ground level, its formation is limited due to the diminished intensity of solar radiation caused by atmospheric blocking.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reasons for ozone's presence at higher altitudes, with no consensus reached on the primary factors influencing its distribution in the atmosphere.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of atmospheric dynamics, the influence of temperature on gas mixing, and the specific conditions required for ozone formation, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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How ozone having higher molecular mass then oxygen and CO2 is on a certain upper level of atmosphere?
Doesn't the more dense objects come closer to ground by gravitation?
 
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DrClaude said:
Because that's where it is made
Okay but what about the high molecular mass?
Why above CO2?
 
Raghav Gupta said:
Okay but what about the high molecular mass?
Why above CO2?
Ozone is constantly being created by sunlight in the upper atmosphere, but it is also breaking down constantly as well, because ozone is unstable.

Also, gases stratify by molecular weight only in a situation where conditions permit. One of those conditions is that no mixing is occurring, due to temperature differences, for example. The atmosphere is a dynamic object, with the uneven temperature conditions created by having one portion heated by the sun causing winds to develop, which winds promote mixing of the atmosphere's constituent gasses.

There is a small amount of ozone present closer to the ground, but at these low altitudes, ozone is considered a pollutant, due in part to its oxidizing characteristics.
 
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SteamKing said:
Ozone is constantly being created by sunlight in the upper atmosphere.
What is that particular condition that ozone is being created in upper atmosphere?
By distance above the ground what is happening?
 
Raghav Gupta said:
What is that particular condition that ozone is being created in upper atmosphere?
By distance above the ground what is happening?
Photochemical reactions.
 
Chestermiller said:
Photochemical reactions.
Sorry, I am meaning that why can't photochemical reaction start at ground level?
Why only small amount of ozone at ground level?
 
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Raghav Gupta said:
Sorry, I am meaning that why can't photochemical reaction start at ground level?
Why only small amount of ozone at ground level?
To a certain extent, the reaction creating ozone does occur close to the surface of the earth, but at ground level, the intensity of the solar radiation reaching the ground is diminished by the blocking effect of the atmosphere itself. In the upper levels of the atmosphere where most of the ozone is created, the great majority of the atmospheric mass lies below, and the solar radiation responsible for creating ozone is much stronger.
 
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Thanks to all of you.
 
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Raghav Gupta said:
Sorry, I am meaning that why can't photochemical reaction start at ground level?
Why only small amount of ozone at ground level?
See this link: http://acmg.seas.harvard.edu/people/faculty/djj/book/bookchap10.html

Chet
 

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