Gauge invariance of the vector potential

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The discussion focuses on the gauge invariance of the vector potential, specifically addressing the equation ∇^2 Ay - ∂/∂y (∇∙A) = -μJy. Participants highlight that the vector potential A is not uniquely determined and can include arbitrary functions without affecting the magnetic field, as the curl of a gradient is zero. The Lorentz condition, ∇∙A = 0, is debated as a mathematical convenience rather than a physical necessity, raising questions about the physical implications of the divergence of A on medium polarization. The conversation also touches on the existence of longitudinal waves and references historical work by Nikola Tesla and recent experiments by Wesley and Monstein.

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The vector potential can be expressed in the following way:

∇^2 Ay-∂/∂y (∇∙A)=-μJy

(Here only taking y components)

Vector A is not determined uniquely. We may add derivatives of an arbitrary function (gradient) to the components of A, and the magnetic field does not change (curl of gradient is zero). In other words: the magnetic field is invariant with regard to this calibration (just basic gauge invariance)
The arbitrary function is usually chosen so that we obtain the simplest form for the equation of A. The function is chosen so that ∇∙A=0 (lorentz condition) and we get

∇^2 A=-μJ

By doing this, don't we consider the divergence of A to be completely unphysical? The Lorentz condition is formulated purely as a mathematical convenience. Is it accepted mainly because we think that the magnetic field represents the whole physical effect? Shouldn't the divergence of A have a physical impact on the polarisation of the medium/vacuum? Maybe it could be observed in other non-transverse EM waves? Furthermore, the aharonov-bohm effect proves the physical impact of A even in a region with a vanishing B.
I think that there may be different types of waves (longitudinal) but that the classical theory would not account for them because it focuses on E and B as being the fundamental quantities, and disregarding the totallity of the effects of A and φ (electrostatic) potentials. Also for example the rate of change of φ with respect to time.
Has anyone ever come across this? Anyway, any kind of constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated.. Cheers
 
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No, there's no observable consequence to choosing a particular gauge. You started off by (correctly) saying that the gauge doesn't affect the magnetic field. Even in the Ahonarov-Bohm effect, potentials are not measured directly. Instead, you're effectively observing their line integrals around loops. These are not affected by gauge transformations:
<br /> \oint ( A + \nabla \chi ) \cdot \mathrm{d} l = \oint A \cdot \mathrm{d} l .<br />

I'm not sure what you mean with regards to longitudinal waves. These can exist in certain modifications to Maxwell's theory, but there is no experimental evidence for them. Gauge concepts certainly do change if you want to move away from Maxwell's equations.
 
Thanks stingray for replying.
Could you tell me which kind of modifications of the Maxwell/Heavyside equations please, do they include divergence of A, or send me a link to something, would be great!

I think i wasn't really clear enough in what i was saying, hopefully this might make sense.
The vector potential is defined purely with respect to B, or as a concequence of the effect of B..When doing this we say A has a purely rotational aspect and disregard a possible effect of the divergence of A on the medium.
Wouldn't the divergence of A have an impact on the medium and therefore shouldn't be reduced to zero because "it may be wrongly defined" (gauge invariance on A works mathematically because of how it's defined)
A fair amount of Nicola Tesla's papers describe how to generate longitudinal waves (would be interesting to build!).
He obtained them by parametrizing the frequency of changing scalar potential (which is not very considered in classical theory).
Another recent experiment by Wesley and monstein seems to be confirming their existence..although i haven't looked into that enough yet.
 

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