Gauss's law intuitive explanation?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the understanding and application of Gauss's law in electrostatics, particularly its implications for determining electric fields in various scenarios. Participants explore the conceptual foundations of the law, its mathematical formulation, and its relevance in specific cases, including situations with zero enclosed charge.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the meaning of Gauss's law and its application in finding electric fields, questioning why it is used in cases where the enclosed charge is zero.
  • Another participant provides the mathematical form of Gauss's law and explains that the left side of the equation accounts for all sources in the defined region, indicating that the electric field is proportional to the enclosed charge.
  • A different participant challenges the claim that zero enclosed charge tells nothing about the electric field, asserting that it indicates the electric field is zero in that case.
  • Another participant offers a broader conceptual view, suggesting that Gauss's law represents a form of conservation of energy for a field and relates it to other physical phenomena, such as the behavior of light and gravitational fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the implications of zero enclosed charge on the electric field. While some argue it indicates the electric field is zero, others maintain that it does not provide information about the field's presence in adjacent regions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific problems and solutions from external sources, indicating a focus on practical applications of Gauss's law. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the conditions under which Gauss's law is applied and the implications of different configurations of charge and Gaussian surfaces.

lord_james
Messages
1
Reaction score
0
I'm not sure what Gauss's law really means. "The electric flux through any closed surface is proportional to the enclosed electric charge." How does this apply to finding the electric field?
apcentral.collegeboard. com/apc/public/repository/ap11_frq_physics_cem.pdf
Look at parts 1 a and b. Part 1a is easy enough to do, but I want to really understand why Gauss's law applies here. collegeboard. com/apc/public/repository/ap11_physics_c_electricity_magnetism_scoring_guidelines.pdf
Here are their solutions. (Remove the space before com in both links). The fact that the enclosed charge is zero does not tell you anything about the electric field, though, as evidenced by part (b). What if I draw a Gaussian surface next to, but not enclosing, a point charge? There is no enclosed charge, and no net flux, but there is still obviously an electric field. So why do they want Gauss's law used in these situations?
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
lord_james said:
I'm not sure what Gauss's law really means. "The electric flux through any closed surface is proportional to the enclosed electric charge." How does this apply to finding the electric field?
apcentral.collegeboard. com/apc/public/repository/ap11_frq_physics_cem.pdf
Look at parts 1 a and b. Part 1a is easy enough to do, but I want to really understand why Gauss's law applies here. collegeboard. com/apc/public/repository/ap11_physics_c_electricity_magnetism_scoring_guidelines.pdf
Here are their solutions. (Remove the space before com in both links). The fact that the enclosed charge is zero does not tell you anything about the electric field, though, as evidenced by part (b). What if I draw a Gaussian surface next to, but not enclosing, a point charge? There is no enclosed charge, and no net flux, but there is still obviously an electric field. So why do they want Gauss's law used in these situations?

Gauss' Law in it's mathematical form is [tex]\oint\vec E \cdot \vec {da} = \dfrac{1}{\epsilon _o}Q_{enc}[/tex]. If we draw a Gaussian surface encompassing the region in which we seek to determine the electric field, the left side of the equation 'picks out' the all sources in this region, and says that the electric field is proportional to the charge enclosed only in this region we've defined with our Gaussian surface, which is the right side of the equation. Notice that in regions that no charge is enclosed, the left side of the equation is zero because all flux entering a Gaussian surface leaves the surface as well.
 
In reference to your statement about the enclosed charge equaling zero telling you nothing about the [itex]\vec E[/itex] field, that's false. It tells you that [itex]\vec E = 0[/itex]. Gauss' Law allows you to determine electric fields for regions. If you want to know the field in a particular region, the Gaussian surface must enclose that region, and the charge generating the field.
 
lord_james said:
I'm not sure what Gauss's law really means. <snip>

Gauss's law is a form of conservation of energy for a field. For example, we say that a charge generates an electric field. If you enclose the charge with a spherical surface, the electric field at the surface is Q/r^2. No matter what radius you choose, the total field 4πr^2*Q/r^2 through the surface is constant.

Conceptually, Gauss's law in electrostatics states that electric charges create electric fields, magnetic charges create magnetic fields (and since there are no magnetic charges, div(B) = 0). Gauss's law (in other contexts) means the intensity of light from a point source falls off quadratically with distance, the gravitational field of a point source falls off quadratically with distance, etc. etc.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
1K
  • · Replies 83 ·
3
Replies
83
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 30 ·
2
Replies
30
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 29 ·
Replies
29
Views
2K